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The conversation in this thread has made me wonder after reading it if anyone uses Apache2 as their webserver anymore. Edit: seems many still do! I thought it

The conversation in this thread has made me wonder after reading it if anyone uses Apache2 as their webserver anymore. Edit: seems many still do! I thought it was dying slowly as php popularity was going down.

PetahNZ 7y ago
Yes, its still more popular than Nginx according to https://trends.builtwith.com/Web-Server/Apache https://trends.builtwith.com/Web-Server/Apache https://trends.builtwith.com/Web-Server/nginx https://trends.builtwith.com/Web-Server/nginx
- idoubtit 7y ago
  The global trend for Apache is not looking good, and I believe a large part of its popularity is simply a legacy of its dominant position a decade ago. Over the last 10 years, it probably lost half of its share. The exact figures vary with the source: according to the link below, Apache's share of the million busiest web sites went from 66% in 2011 to 32% now. https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2019/05/10/may-2019-web-server-survey.html#graph04_201905_00 https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2019/05/10/may-2019-web-s...
user5994461 7y ago
Of course, for anything that is cgi/fastcgi. nginx doesn't support that. There is also stuff running on mod_php/mod_python/mod_wcgi that is bound to apache, however these are deprecated and unstable technologies that should not be used in this decade.
- no_wizard 7y ago
  nginx supports fast cgi https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/start/topics/examples/fastcgiexample/ https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/start/topics/examples/f... I imagine it supports cgi calls too
  - SahAssar 7y ago
    Nginx does not support CGI, but you can for example use uWSGI as a application server behind nginx.
    - user5994461 7y ago
      For reference, WSGI is python only, it's an interprocess communication method very similar to fastcgi with the same purpose.
      - SahAssar 7y ago
        Seems like it can work with others too, though I don't know how well: https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/LanguagesAndPlatforms.html https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/LanguagesAndPlat...
  - user5994461 7y ago
    Reading that documentation page will tell you that nginx cannot spawn fastcgi processes ;)
aduitsis 7y ago
What conversation? Been using apache2 for like 20+ years now. It is doable to switch to something else, but would probably require effort with various details, etc. It works well for our moderate loads, so not really urgent to change it.
- no_wizard 7y ago
  No one up till this point ever mentioned using HAProxy with Apache
  - stephenr 7y ago
    The conversation has mostly been about NGinx vs HAProxy, at the balancer level, has it not?
- wtarreau 7y ago
  Hehe I still have the unbreakable 1.3 running on some home machines. It doesn't want to die so I'm not forcing it :-)
LinuxBender 7y ago
Yes. Any time I need to use cgi's, php, or anything where security outside of Apache can be controlled by an Apache module, I will always default to Apache as the security control story is better. Performance wise, Apache 2.4 using the latest APR libraries is equal to NGinx. There are also far fewer bugs and updates to the Apache core. I rarely have to recompile anything. I have also had many frustrating interactions with the lead developer of NGinx. There are many assumptions made and many things hard coded in the Makefile, especially as it pertains to pcre, zlib, openssl and CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, etc. Also, I can't just point to existing pcre and zlib deployments for inclusion. NGinx wants the source and to recompile the extra libraries each time.

PetahNZ 7y ago

Yes, its still more popular than Nginx according to https://trends.builtwith.com/Web-Server/Apache https://trends.builtwith.com/Web-Server/Apache https://trends.builtwith.com/Web-Server/nginx https://trends.builtwith.com/Web-Server/nginx

idoubtit 7y ago
The global trend for Apache is not looking good, and I believe a large part of its popularity is simply a legacy of its dominant position a decade ago. Over the last 10 years, it probably lost half of its share. The exact figures vary with the source: according to the link below, Apache's share of the million busiest web sites went from 66% in 2011 to 32% now. https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2019/05/10/may-2019-web-server-survey.html#graph04_201905_00 https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2019/05/10/may-2019-web-s...

user5994461 7y ago

Of course, for anything that is cgi/fastcgi. nginx doesn't support that. There is also stuff running on mod_php/mod_python/mod_wcgi that is bound to apache, however these are deprecated and unstable technologies that should not be used in this decade.

no_wizard 7y ago
nginx supports fast cgi https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/start/topics/examples/fastcgiexample/ https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/start/topics/examples/f... I imagine it supports cgi calls too
- SahAssar 7y ago
  Nginx does not support CGI, but you can for example use uWSGI as a application server behind nginx.
  - user5994461 7y ago
    For reference, WSGI is python only, it's an interprocess communication method very similar to fastcgi with the same purpose.
    - SahAssar 7y ago
      Seems like it can work with others too, though I don't know how well: https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/LanguagesAndPlatforms.html https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/LanguagesAndPlat...
- user5994461 7y ago
  Reading that documentation page will tell you that nginx cannot spawn fastcgi processes ;)

aduitsis 7y ago

What conversation? Been using apache2 for like 20+ years now. It is doable to switch to something else, but would probably require effort with various details, etc. It works well for our moderate loads, so not really urgent to change it.

no_wizard 7y ago
No one up till this point ever mentioned using HAProxy with Apache
- stephenr 7y ago
  The conversation has mostly been about NGinx vs HAProxy, at the balancer level, has it not?
wtarreau 7y ago
Hehe I still have the unbreakable 1.3 running on some home machines. It doesn't want to die so I'm not forcing it :-)

LinuxBender 7y ago

Yes. Any time I need to use cgi's, php, or anything where security outside of Apache can be controlled by an Apache module, I will always default to Apache as the security control story is better. Performance wise, Apache 2.4 using the latest APR libraries is equal to NGinx. There are also far fewer bugs and updates to the Apache core. I rarely have to recompile anything. I have also had many frustrating interactions with the lead developer of NGinx. There are many assumptions made and many things hard coded in the Makefile, especially as it pertains to pcre, zlib, openssl and CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, etc. Also, I can't just point to existing pcre and zlib deployments for inclusion. NGinx wants the source and to recompile the extra libraries each time.