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> separate the Japanese people we see nowadays from the wartime Japan under militarism Yes, this is the sane choice. Unfortunately we both know that bad news d

> separate the Japanese people we see nowadays from the wartime Japan under militarism Yes, this is the sane choice. Unfortunately we both know that bad news draw more attention from the general public. Just like many mainlanders still remember vividly that (a small fraction of) HKers called them as locusts, when some Japanese say something bad about China, it gets spread much much faster than other news and stays in the memory for a long time. I was merely stating the fact that it is not a good idea to praise Japan in a conversation in general unless necessary, given the current state of our media. But still, their officials need to stop visiting the Shrine, or the names of the war criminals need to be removed. > "riot" charge by the government Usual CCP bs. My stand on this is that: HK is the best candidate for advocating changes to the CCP, if you can succeed before 2047 then we really own you a big favor. But HK should also remember that this is our internal affair, no foreign organization should interfere. The West can be used as extra pairs of eyes to keep the CCP checked so it doesn't repeat the disaster happened in Tiananmen square, but that's it. I hope you can understand why we don't trust the West, after we have witnessed the events happened elsewhere.

hker 7y ago
> I was merely stating the fact that it is not a good idea to praise Japan in a conversation in general unless necessary, given the current state of our media. Agreed, and points taken. Thanks. > My stand on this is that: HK is the best candidate for advocating changes to the CCP, if you can succeed before 2047 then we really own you a big favor. But HK should also remember that this is our internal affair, no foreign organization should interfere. The West can be used as extra pairs of eyes to keep the CCP checked so it doesn't repeat the disaster happened in Tiananmen square, but that's it. I hope you can understand why we don't trust the West, after we have witnessed the events happened elsewhere. That's reasonable. Thanks for voicing out your main concern: that China may lose control to foreign organization, hence CCP should stay unless absolutely unbearable. I think I understand more how mainlanders think now.
- confusedhnguy 7y ago
  Please allow me to add more details. I have spent 9 years in the US. When I first came here, I was fed up with CCP's bs and thought the US and its system is the best. But now I have come to the conclusion that it is just as evil as the CCP, but in different ways. I think so because I have witnessed first hand about how insulting the Chinese is still acceptable [0] even in the PC culture (ppl still ask me if I eat dogs), how biased the mainstream media are, and how the democratic system here is full of flaws. More and more mainlanders are sharing my view, for better or for worse. Also, it's not just "lose control to foreign organization". Based on the above reasons, we believe that the West is hostile towards Asia and will do everything to prevent any country in that area from growing up and challenge them. The US supports Korea, Japan and Taiwan just so it can put pressure on China, instead of actually caring about their people. Look, the HN crowd are still down-voting my post that complains about you mentioning Japan and I still can't think of why. Yes, I understand that rights can only be obtained by earning instead of begging, and the Chinese-American community did a poor job to defend their rights. But until we have a memorial day for [1], I do not believe the Westerners care about our well-being at all. As for your protest, this image of the flyer in [2] was circulating privately on our social media, and I have to say that one of the bullet points is really questionable, namely, collective punishment (do you have proof of this?). Even if all the other ones are true to some extent, this one is going to hurt your credibility a lot and push people away from you. I am going to take a risk by quoting Chairman Mao's words: 政治就是，把支持我们的人搞的多多的，把反对我们的人搞得少少的！The number of people in the mainland who doesn't like CCP's actions is probably larger than you realized, but these people, by their nature, dislike liars in general. If HK want to win their support, then it really should make sure that their flyers/slogans are flawless and based on facts, and do not smell like the typical Western propaganda. I know this is putting the burden on you but hey this is not an easy task to begin with. Keep up the good work! [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxOsUe0I8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxOsUe0I8o [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chinese_Americans#Transcontinental_railroad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chinese_Americans#T... [2] https://twitter.com/liuyun2018/status/1133227121713659904 https://twitter.com/liuyun2018/status/1133227121713659904 Edit: Let me add more materials that supports my view that the US doesn't care about us at all [3], and how they provided continuous support to Chiang Kai-shek even if he did [4] and [5]. I am from Henan so you can imagine why do I think this is just as bad as what the CCP did, and how angry I am when almost no Westerners talks about these when they talk about the KMT. [3] https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6ygpo0/i_was_taught_that_general_macarthur_wanted_to/ https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6ygpo0/i_was... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Yellow_River_flood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Yellow_River_flood [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Changsha_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Changsha_fire

hker 7y ago

> I was merely stating the fact that it is not a good idea to praise Japan in a conversation in general unless necessary, given the current state of our media. Agreed, and points taken. Thanks. > My stand on this is that: HK is the best candidate for advocating changes to the CCP, if you can succeed before 2047 then we really own you a big favor. But HK should also remember that this is our internal affair, no foreign organization should interfere. The West can be used as extra pairs of eyes to keep the CCP checked so it doesn't repeat the disaster happened in Tiananmen square, but that's it. I hope you can understand why we don't trust the West, after we have witnessed the events happened elsewhere. That's reasonable. Thanks for voicing out your main concern: that China may lose control to foreign organization, hence CCP should stay unless absolutely unbearable. I think I understand more how mainlanders think now.

confusedhnguy 7y ago
Please allow me to add more details. I have spent 9 years in the US. When I first came here, I was fed up with CCP's bs and thought the US and its system is the best. But now I have come to the conclusion that it is just as evil as the CCP, but in different ways. I think so because I have witnessed first hand about how insulting the Chinese is still acceptable [0] even in the PC culture (ppl still ask me if I eat dogs), how biased the mainstream media are, and how the democratic system here is full of flaws. More and more mainlanders are sharing my view, for better or for worse. Also, it's not just "lose control to foreign organization". Based on the above reasons, we believe that the West is hostile towards Asia and will do everything to prevent any country in that area from growing up and challenge them. The US supports Korea, Japan and Taiwan just so it can put pressure on China, instead of actually caring about their people. Look, the HN crowd are still down-voting my post that complains about you mentioning Japan and I still can't think of why. Yes, I understand that rights can only be obtained by earning instead of begging, and the Chinese-American community did a poor job to defend their rights. But until we have a memorial day for [1], I do not believe the Westerners care about our well-being at all. As for your protest, this image of the flyer in [2] was circulating privately on our social media, and I have to say that one of the bullet points is really questionable, namely, collective punishment (do you have proof of this?). Even if all the other ones are true to some extent, this one is going to hurt your credibility a lot and push people away from you. I am going to take a risk by quoting Chairman Mao's words: 政治就是，把支持我们的人搞的多多的，把反对我们的人搞得少少的！The number of people in the mainland who doesn't like CCP's actions is probably larger than you realized, but these people, by their nature, dislike liars in general. If HK want to win their support, then it really should make sure that their flyers/slogans are flawless and based on facts, and do not smell like the typical Western propaganda. I know this is putting the burden on you but hey this is not an easy task to begin with. Keep up the good work! [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxOsUe0I8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxOsUe0I8o [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chinese_Americans#Transcontinental_railroad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chinese_Americans#T... [2] https://twitter.com/liuyun2018/status/1133227121713659904 https://twitter.com/liuyun2018/status/1133227121713659904 Edit: Let me add more materials that supports my view that the US doesn't care about us at all [3], and how they provided continuous support to Chiang Kai-shek even if he did [4] and [5]. I am from Henan so you can imagine why do I think this is just as bad as what the CCP did, and how angry I am when almost no Westerners talks about these when they talk about the KMT. [3] https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6ygpo0/i_was_taught_that_general_macarthur_wanted_to/ https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6ygpo0/i_was... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Yellow_River_flood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Yellow_River_flood [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Changsha_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Changsha_fire