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While I agree with your other words, is the last paragraph really necessary? If you want us mainlanders to trust you, it is advisable to not praise Japan when i

While I agree with your other words, is the last paragraph really necessary? If you want us mainlanders to trust you, it is advisable to not praise Japan when it is not directly related to the conversation. Mainlanders are also perfectly capable of doing it, although we are not doing as good as we can. https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-trash-copying-japans-example https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-tra... Downvote me all you want, I still support your democratic movements. But if you truly want mainlander to hear your voice, talking about how good Japan is is counterproductive. If you want to make friends with the victims, it is not a good idea to talk about how morally superior the criminals are. Please explain why are you down-voting this. I changed my mind seeing your previous posts, and I may change again if you can point out my mistake.

hker 7y ago
Thank you for your honest reply, I just upvoted you. > While I agree with your other words, is the last paragraph really necessary? If you want us mainlanders to trust you, it is advisable to not praise Japan when it is not directly related to the conversation. I agree that the last paragraph is not necessary. But I did learn something from your reply to my last paragraph. I personally separate the Japanese people we see nowadays from the wartime Japan under militarism, and I think this sentiment is popular among the recent generations in Hong Kong (and perhaps in Europe and US, etc). Older generations in Hong Kong, who experienced the Japanese occupation, think differently, understandably. So to a Hong Konger like me, praising Japan does not have any strings of nationalism attached. It is like praising the spice in Thai food (and this is irrelevant to whether we like Chinese food, or China). And that's why I am being over-insenstive here, and I could have done better. Likewise, most of Hong Kong people could separate mainland people from CCP. > Mainlanders are also perfectly capable of doing it, although we are not doing as good as we can. > https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-trash-copying-japans-example https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-tra... Thanks for letting me know something I was not aware of, and I sincerely praise those mainlanders for their effort. Keep up with the good work. As your linked article also suggests, Japan is leading the world in cleaning after themselves, that's why I gave credit to them. And back to the protest, I mention that Hong Kong people are cleaning trashes in protest [1], because I disagree with the "riot" charge by the government [2], which could result in a maximum term of ten years. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c18ybh/protester_is_cleaning_and_clearing_the_rubbish/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c18ybh/protester_... [2]: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/13/hong-kong-protesters-charged-rioting-hospital-visit/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/13/hong-kong-protesters-c...
- hker 7y ago
  (Could not edit the parent comment for one more remark) > I still support your democratic movements. But if you truly want mainlander to hear your voice, talking about how good Japan is is counterproductive. Thank you for your support, and for the honest opinion. It is important for us to understand how you think. I hope we can understand each other better with enough communication.
- confusedhnguy 7y ago
  > separate the Japanese people we see nowadays from the wartime Japan under militarism Yes, this is the sane choice. Unfortunately we both know that bad news draw more attention from the general public. Just like many mainlanders still remember vividly that (a small fraction of) HKers called them as locusts, when some Japanese say something bad about China, it gets spread much much faster than other news and stays in the memory for a long time. I was merely stating the fact that it is not a good idea to praise Japan in a conversation in general unless necessary, given the current state of our media. But still, their officials need to stop visiting the Shrine, or the names of the war criminals need to be removed. > "riot" charge by the government Usual CCP bs. My stand on this is that: HK is the best candidate for advocating changes to the CCP, if you can succeed before 2047 then we really own you a big favor. But HK should also remember that this is our internal affair, no foreign organization should interfere. The West can be used as extra pairs of eyes to keep the CCP checked so it doesn't repeat the disaster happened in Tiananmen square, but that's it. I hope you can understand why we don't trust the West, after we have witnessed the events happened elsewhere.
  - hker 7y ago
    > I was merely stating the fact that it is not a good idea to praise Japan in a conversation in general unless necessary, given the current state of our media. Agreed, and points taken. Thanks. > My stand on this is that: HK is the best candidate for advocating changes to the CCP, if you can succeed before 2047 then we really own you a big favor. But HK should also remember that this is our internal affair, no foreign organization should interfere. The West can be used as extra pairs of eyes to keep the CCP checked so it doesn't repeat the disaster happened in Tiananmen square, but that's it. I hope you can understand why we don't trust the West, after we have witnessed the events happened elsewhere. That's reasonable. Thanks for voicing out your main concern: that China may lose control to foreign organization, hence CCP should stay unless absolutely unbearable. I think I understand more how mainlanders think now.

hker 7y ago

Thank you for your honest reply, I just upvoted you. > While I agree with your other words, is the last paragraph really necessary? If you want us mainlanders to trust you, it is advisable to not praise Japan when it is not directly related to the conversation. I agree that the last paragraph is not necessary. But I did learn something from your reply to my last paragraph. I personally separate the Japanese people we see nowadays from the wartime Japan under militarism, and I think this sentiment is popular among the recent generations in Hong Kong (and perhaps in Europe and US, etc). Older generations in Hong Kong, who experienced the Japanese occupation, think differently, understandably. So to a Hong Konger like me, praising Japan does not have any strings of nationalism attached. It is like praising the spice in Thai food (and this is irrelevant to whether we like Chinese food, or China). And that's why I am being over-insenstive here, and I could have done better. Likewise, most of Hong Kong people could separate mainland people from CCP. > Mainlanders are also perfectly capable of doing it, although we are not doing as good as we can. > https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-trash-copying-japans-example https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-tra... Thanks for letting me know something I was not aware of, and I sincerely praise those mainlanders for their effort. Keep up with the good work. As your linked article also suggests, Japan is leading the world in cleaning after themselves, that's why I gave credit to them. And back to the protest, I mention that Hong Kong people are cleaning trashes in protest [1], because I disagree with the "riot" charge by the government [2], which could result in a maximum term of ten years. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c18ybh/protester_is_cleaning_and_clearing_the_rubbish/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c18ybh/protester_... [2]: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/13/hong-kong-protesters-charged-rioting-hospital-visit/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/13/hong-kong-protesters-c...

hker 7y ago
(Could not edit the parent comment for one more remark) > I still support your democratic movements. But if you truly want mainlander to hear your voice, talking about how good Japan is is counterproductive. Thank you for your support, and for the honest opinion. It is important for us to understand how you think. I hope we can understand each other better with enough communication.
confusedhnguy 7y ago
> separate the Japanese people we see nowadays from the wartime Japan under militarism Yes, this is the sane choice. Unfortunately we both know that bad news draw more attention from the general public. Just like many mainlanders still remember vividly that (a small fraction of) HKers called them as locusts, when some Japanese say something bad about China, it gets spread much much faster than other news and stays in the memory for a long time. I was merely stating the fact that it is not a good idea to praise Japan in a conversation in general unless necessary, given the current state of our media. But still, their officials need to stop visiting the Shrine, or the names of the war criminals need to be removed. > "riot" charge by the government Usual CCP bs. My stand on this is that: HK is the best candidate for advocating changes to the CCP, if you can succeed before 2047 then we really own you a big favor. But HK should also remember that this is our internal affair, no foreign organization should interfere. The West can be used as extra pairs of eyes to keep the CCP checked so it doesn't repeat the disaster happened in Tiananmen square, but that's it. I hope you can understand why we don't trust the West, after we have witnessed the events happened elsewhere.
- hker 7y ago
  > I was merely stating the fact that it is not a good idea to praise Japan in a conversation in general unless necessary, given the current state of our media. Agreed, and points taken. Thanks. > My stand on this is that: HK is the best candidate for advocating changes to the CCP, if you can succeed before 2047 then we really own you a big favor. But HK should also remember that this is our internal affair, no foreign organization should interfere. The West can be used as extra pairs of eyes to keep the CCP checked so it doesn't repeat the disaster happened in Tiananmen square, but that's it. I hope you can understand why we don't trust the West, after we have witnessed the events happened elsewhere. That's reasonable. Thanks for voicing out your main concern: that China may lose control to foreign organization, hence CCP should stay unless absolutely unbearable. I think I understand more how mainlanders think now.