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Hopefully the common folks in mainland China are watching, and is not censored, and take inspiration from HK folks in marching and fighting for their human righ

by yumraj 7y ago

Hopefully the common folks in mainland China are watching, and is not censored, and take inspiration from HK folks in marching and fighting for their human rights.

hker 7y ago
To give due credits, the Hong Kong people put great effort to ensure that the protests--both the Umbrella protest in 2014 and the anti-extradition protest in 2019--are peaceful, largely because they don't want to turn Victorial Park into another Tiananmen Square--there are 6000 PLA troops stationed in Hong Kong, and they will come out once the Hong Kong police loses control of the situation. Hong Kong people learned from mainland China first. I do hope that one day mainland China could learn back, when the time calls for it. Okay, as for the bit on cleaning trashes [1], we don't learn it from China, we learn it from Japan (for example [2]). Well, we all have something to learn from each other. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c18ybh/protester_is_cleaning_and_clearing_the_rubbish/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c18ybh/protester_... [2]: https://nextshark.com/japanese-world-cup-fans-clean-stadium-winning-colombia/ https://nextshark.com/japanese-world-cup-fans-clean-stadium-...
- confusedhnguy 7y ago
  While I agree with your other words, is the last paragraph really necessary? If you want us mainlanders to trust you, it is advisable to not praise Japan when it is not directly related to the conversation. Mainlanders are also perfectly capable of doing it, although we are not doing as good as we can. https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-trash-copying-japans-example https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-tra... Downvote me all you want, I still support your democratic movements. But if you truly want mainlander to hear your voice, talking about how good Japan is is counterproductive. If you want to make friends with the victims, it is not a good idea to talk about how morally superior the criminals are. Please explain why are you down-voting this. I changed my mind seeing your previous posts, and I may change again if you can point out my mistake.
  - hker 7y ago
    Thank you for your honest reply, I just upvoted you. > While I agree with your other words, is the last paragraph really necessary? If you want us mainlanders to trust you, it is advisable to not praise Japan when it is not directly related to the conversation. I agree that the last paragraph is not necessary. But I did learn something from your reply to my last paragraph. I personally separate the Japanese people we see nowadays from the wartime Japan under militarism, and I think this sentiment is popular among the recent generations in Hong Kong (and perhaps in Europe and US, etc). Older generations in Hong Kong, who experienced the Japanese occupation, think differently, understandably. So to a Hong Konger like me, praising Japan does not have any strings of nationalism attached. It is like praising the spice in Thai food (and this is irrelevant to whether we like Chinese food, or China). And that's why I am being over-insenstive here, and I could have done better. Likewise, most of Hong Kong people could separate mainland people from CCP. > Mainlanders are also perfectly capable of doing it, although we are not doing as good as we can. > https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-trash-copying-japans-example https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-tra... Thanks for letting me know something I was not aware of, and I sincerely praise those mainlanders for their effort. Keep up with the good work. As your linked article also suggests, Japan is leading the world in cleaning after themselves, that's why I gave credit to them. And back to the protest, I mention that Hong Kong people are cleaning trashes in protest [1], because I disagree with the "riot" charge by the government [2], which could result in a maximum term of ten years. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c18ybh/protester_is_cleaning_and_clearing_the_rubbish/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c18ybh/protester_... [2]: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/13/hong-kong-protesters-charged-rioting-hospital-visit/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/13/hong-kong-protesters-c...
    - hker 7y ago
      (Could not edit the parent comment for one more remark) > I still support your democratic movements. But if you truly want mainlander to hear your voice, talking about how good Japan is is counterproductive. Thank you for your support, and for the honest opinion. It is important for us to understand how you think. I hope we can understand each other better with enough communication.
the_resistence 7y ago
Anyone who gets a glimpse of images but not the real story is being told it is a festive parade, kid you not.

by yumraj 7y ago

Hopefully the common folks in mainland China are watching, and is not censored, and take inspiration from HK folks in marching and fighting for their human rights.

hker 7y ago

To give due credits, the Hong Kong people put great effort to ensure that the protests--both the Umbrella protest in 2014 and the anti-extradition protest in 2019--are peaceful, largely because they don't want to turn Victorial Park into another Tiananmen Square--there are 6000 PLA troops stationed in Hong Kong, and they will come out once the Hong Kong police loses control of the situation. Hong Kong people learned from mainland China first. I do hope that one day mainland China could learn back, when the time calls for it. Okay, as for the bit on cleaning trashes [1], we don't learn it from China, we learn it from Japan (for example [2]). Well, we all have something to learn from each other. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c18ybh/protester_is_cleaning_and_clearing_the_rubbish/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c18ybh/protester_... [2]: https://nextshark.com/japanese-world-cup-fans-clean-stadium-winning-colombia/ https://nextshark.com/japanese-world-cup-fans-clean-stadium-...

confusedhnguy 7y ago
While I agree with your other words, is the last paragraph really necessary? If you want us mainlanders to trust you, it is advisable to not praise Japan when it is not directly related to the conversation. Mainlanders are also perfectly capable of doing it, although we are not doing as good as we can. https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-trash-copying-japans-example https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-tra... Downvote me all you want, I still support your democratic movements. But if you truly want mainlander to hear your voice, talking about how good Japan is is counterproductive. If you want to make friends with the victims, it is not a good idea to talk about how morally superior the criminals are. Please explain why are you down-voting this. I changed my mind seeing your previous posts, and I may change again if you can point out my mistake.
- hker 7y ago
  Thank you for your honest reply, I just upvoted you. > While I agree with your other words, is the last paragraph really necessary? If you want us mainlanders to trust you, it is advisable to not praise Japan when it is not directly related to the conversation. I agree that the last paragraph is not necessary. But I did learn something from your reply to my last paragraph. I personally separate the Japanese people we see nowadays from the wartime Japan under militarism, and I think this sentiment is popular among the recent generations in Hong Kong (and perhaps in Europe and US, etc). Older generations in Hong Kong, who experienced the Japanese occupation, think differently, understandably. So to a Hong Konger like me, praising Japan does not have any strings of nationalism attached. It is like praising the spice in Thai food (and this is irrelevant to whether we like Chinese food, or China). And that's why I am being over-insenstive here, and I could have done better. Likewise, most of Hong Kong people could separate mainland people from CCP. > Mainlanders are also perfectly capable of doing it, although we are not doing as good as we can. > https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-trash-copying-japans-example https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-tra... Thanks for letting me know something I was not aware of, and I sincerely praise those mainlanders for their effort. Keep up with the good work. As your linked article also suggests, Japan is leading the world in cleaning after themselves, that's why I gave credit to them. And back to the protest, I mention that Hong Kong people are cleaning trashes in protest [1], because I disagree with the "riot" charge by the government [2], which could result in a maximum term of ten years. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c18ybh/protester_is_cleaning_and_clearing_the_rubbish/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/c18ybh/protester_... [2]: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/13/hong-kong-protesters-charged-rioting-hospital-visit/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/13/hong-kong-protesters-c...
  - hker 7y ago
    (Could not edit the parent comment for one more remark) > I still support your democratic movements. But if you truly want mainlander to hear your voice, talking about how good Japan is is counterproductive. Thank you for your support, and for the honest opinion. It is important for us to understand how you think. I hope we can understand each other better with enough communication.

the_resistence 7y ago

Anyone who gets a glimpse of images but not the real story is being told it is a festive parade, kid you not.