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If you look at their actions, they do not care. You aren’t gonna vote or consume change into the world. EDIT: to be clear, voting is useful, but politicians fa

If you look at their actions, they do not care. You aren’t gonna vote or consume change into the world. EDIT: to be clear, voting is useful, but politicians facing a complacent population will follow their own agenda—you need to act outside of the voting booth to push them in the direction you want.

ShorsHammer 7y ago
"Look at what people do not what they say" is the common phrase I believe. It's very easy to blame others and tell them to improve, whether they be politicians/foreign nations/corporations. But when it comes down to any personal impact on the individual it's very clear how most people react to even tiny price increases or inconvenience.
weberc2 7y ago
Seems most likely to me that the public doesn’t know what to do or how to help. The things that are most publicized are often the least impactful (e.g., plastic straws. All we hear is that the house is burning but there’s no discernible authority telling laypeople what they can do about it. And we need an authority to weigh in because misinformation is rife and reasoning properly isn’t possible for laypeople (e.g., what uses more carbon, the shrink wrapped vegetables that stay fresh longer or the ones that go bad sooner but don’t use plastic? What about local organic produce that isn’t shipped as far but has much lower yields than its GMO counterparts? Etc etc). Personally I want to make a difference but I don’t know how and I am probably more in-the-know than the average layperson. I firmly believe that environmentalists and scientists need to build a credible information pipeline—it’s not enough to proclaim fear, they need to communicate what we should do. “Use less carbon is not actionable”.
- SomeOldThrow 7y ago
  We need strikes in america. I don’t see any other way. This is a fairly useless action yourself. I also don’t have great answers, obviously.
  - brighter2morrow 7y ago
    Strikes only work when the media portrays them sympathetically. The media will never even report a strike happened if powerful interests are against it.
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- weberc2 7y ago
  Ugh. Sorry for the typos. Missed the “edit” window...

ShorsHammer 7y ago

"Look at what people do not what they say" is the common phrase I believe. It's very easy to blame others and tell them to improve, whether they be politicians/foreign nations/corporations. But when it comes down to any personal impact on the individual it's very clear how most people react to even tiny price increases or inconvenience.

weberc2 7y ago

Seems most likely to me that the public doesn’t know what to do or how to help. The things that are most publicized are often the least impactful (e.g., plastic straws. All we hear is that the house is burning but there’s no discernible authority telling laypeople what they can do about it. And we need an authority to weigh in because misinformation is rife and reasoning properly isn’t possible for laypeople (e.g., what uses more carbon, the shrink wrapped vegetables that stay fresh longer or the ones that go bad sooner but don’t use plastic? What about local organic produce that isn’t shipped as far but has much lower yields than its GMO counterparts? Etc etc). Personally I want to make a difference but I don’t know how and I am probably more in-the-know than the average layperson. I firmly believe that environmentalists and scientists need to build a credible information pipeline—it’s not enough to proclaim fear, they need to communicate what we should do. “Use less carbon is not actionable”.

SomeOldThrow 7y ago
We need strikes in america. I don’t see any other way. This is a fairly useless action yourself. I also don’t have great answers, obviously.
- brighter2morrow 7y ago
  Strikes only work when the media portrays them sympathetically. The media will never even report a strike happened if powerful interests are against it.
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weberc2 7y ago
Ugh. Sorry for the typos. Missed the “edit” window...