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In the US: you don't ever talk to the police for any reason unless you have a lawyer with you telling you what to say. You're completely right about the UK tho

by DanBC 7y ago

In the US: you don't ever talk to the police for any reason unless you have a lawyer with you telling you what to say. You're completely right about the UK though. If you didn't do it and police are asking if you did it it's normally much easier to just tell them that you didn't do it, and this has very little risk. The risk comes from people who have committed the offence, but who think that it's a minor issue and think that just explaining it to police will mean they can go. If the police stop you and you have a self-defence baseball bat in the boot of your car then you need to say "it's for playing baseball with the kids". As soon as you say "it's for self-defence, just to scare people off, I'd never hit anyone with it" that converts it into an offence and police are a bit touchy about weapons at the moment.

chrisseaton 7y ago
> and you have a self-defence baseball bat in the boot of your car Well this isn't a great example because that is an offence and the Police would be right to do you for it! You're advocating lying to cover up offences for your own selfish benefit!
- DanBC 7y ago
  But it's only an offence if it's there for self defence. If the police say "what's this bat for" and you know you only use it to play baseball then you should say that. If they ask and you say "I'm not saying anything" then they have enough to arrest you and take you to the station. This supports your point: in England it's often a good idea to talk to the police.
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    > But it's only an offence if it's there for self defence. Well yes that was the situation described that I was replying to. > you have a self-defence baseball bat
- mffnbs 7y ago
  It's not hard to turn that into a situation where it can work against you. What if it were your child's baseball bat? You can say that's what it's for but then what if the cop asks you if you'd use it for self defense? Would saying yes potentially be incriminating?
tzs 7y ago
> In the US: you don't ever talk to the police for any reason unless you have a lawyer with you telling you what to say. How far do you take this? Here are a couple of hypothetical situations, and in both of them I would answer police questions. I've had people tell me that they would not, and have cited the popular video someone else cited earlier as the reason. 1. You are walking down the sidewalk and pass a parked car. You are a car enthusiast, and recognize the make, model, and year of the car because it is one that is sought after by enthusiasts, and this one particularly stands out because it looks like it some options that were only available in a limited edition. A moment later, you hear a commotion, and see a man run out of a building holding a baby, followed by a woman who is shouting "help! my baby! he took my baby!", and then faints. You see the man get into the aforementioned car and get onto a nearby freeway, heading South. Police quickly arrive. None of the other witnesses saw where the man went or could describe anything about him, because they were distracted when the woman fainted. The police ask you if you saw anything that could help find the man or identify him. Do you really wait until you cat get a lawyer to advise you before you describe the car and tell them he appeared to get on the Southbound freeway? 2. There is an explosion in your small office. Police are the first emergency responders to arrive. They ask if everyone is accounted for. You saw a coworker go into the bathroom shortly before the explosion, and did not see them come out, and looking around at your coworkers gathered across the street watching the office burn and being given first aid, you see everyone except that one coworker. Do you tell police that you still appear to have one missing coworker, or wait to run the question by a lawyer first?
- DanBC 7y ago
  Don't ask me. I'm English, and in England the advice "never speak to the police" is fucking stupid.
- montecarl 7y ago
  I think the advice of never speaking to the police is meant to say that you can only get yourself into more trouble, not less. Emergency situations like this require you to make judgement calls. These situations seem like obvious cases to help out with your eyewitness testimony. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you wouldn't be breaking some lay by intentionally not helping in an emergency.

by DanBC 7y ago

chrisseaton 7y ago

> and you have a self-defence baseball bat in the boot of your car Well this isn't a great example because that is an offence and the Police would be right to do you for it! You're advocating lying to cover up offences for your own selfish benefit!

DanBC 7y ago
But it's only an offence if it's there for self defence. If the police say "what's this bat for" and you know you only use it to play baseball then you should say that. If they ask and you say "I'm not saying anything" then they have enough to arrest you and take you to the station. This supports your point: in England it's often a good idea to talk to the police.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  > But it's only an offence if it's there for self defence. Well yes that was the situation described that I was replying to. > you have a self-defence baseball bat
mffnbs 7y ago
It's not hard to turn that into a situation where it can work against you. What if it were your child's baseball bat? You can say that's what it's for but then what if the cop asks you if you'd use it for self defense? Would saying yes potentially be incriminating?

tzs 7y ago

> In the US: you don't ever talk to the police for any reason unless you have a lawyer with you telling you what to say. How far do you take this? Here are a couple of hypothetical situations, and in both of them I would answer police questions. I've had people tell me that they would not, and have cited the popular video someone else cited earlier as the reason. 1. You are walking down the sidewalk and pass a parked car. You are a car enthusiast, and recognize the make, model, and year of the car because it is one that is sought after by enthusiasts, and this one particularly stands out because it looks like it some options that were only available in a limited edition. A moment later, you hear a commotion, and see a man run out of a building holding a baby, followed by a woman who is shouting "help! my baby! he took my baby!", and then faints. You see the man get into the aforementioned car and get onto a nearby freeway, heading South. Police quickly arrive. None of the other witnesses saw where the man went or could describe anything about him, because they were distracted when the woman fainted. The police ask you if you saw anything that could help find the man or identify him. Do you really wait until you cat get a lawyer to advise you before you describe the car and tell them he appeared to get on the Southbound freeway? 2. There is an explosion in your small office. Police are the first emergency responders to arrive. They ask if everyone is accounted for. You saw a coworker go into the bathroom shortly before the explosion, and did not see them come out, and looking around at your coworkers gathered across the street watching the office burn and being given first aid, you see everyone except that one coworker. Do you tell police that you still appear to have one missing coworker, or wait to run the question by a lawyer first?

DanBC 7y ago
Don't ask me. I'm English, and in England the advice "never speak to the police" is fucking stupid.
montecarl 7y ago
I think the advice of never speaking to the police is meant to say that you can only get yourself into more trouble, not less. Emergency situations like this require you to make judgement calls. These situations seem like obvious cases to help out with your eyewitness testimony. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you wouldn't be breaking some lay by intentionally not helping in an emergency.