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These were different teams of students taking a class. Variance in student effort/quality is generally high. There were two Rust teams. One had 3x the code and

by celrod 7y ago

These were different teams of students taking a class. Variance in student effort/quality is generally high. There were two Rust teams. One had 3x the code and passed less tests than the other. This is our only reference for how much noise is owed to team rather than language; no other language was used by more than one team. Python did best (least amount of code, yet also the most features) less because of Python, but more because the best programmer was using it. Would the other students have been able to take advantage of the duck typing and metaprogramming in the same way, or ended up following different designs? I'd have my doubts about the second Rust team. Although that Python allowed these is a feature, but I think we're really just looking at noise.

gricjeh 7y ago
And then again still, the “best programmer” sacrificed code quality in pursuit of quickly producing features. The article doesn’t define code quality measures but I’d still take the lines of code metric as either not a measure of value in itself or with a massive grain of salt.
- firethief 7y ago
  That was the right tradeoff for the situation. I think any attempt to use this case study to draw conclusions about maintainability would be a mistake; that's just not what this is useful for.
  - 256 7y ago
    Hi. I wrote the python implementation. I've had prior experience with compilers and I'm obviously biased but I would say it's quite readable. The main compiler part (without optional features or the LR(1) or lexer generator) is 2040 lines and contains very little magic. It would be easy to translate 1-1 to idiomatic C++ for instance - it would just be much more verbose. eval() is only used by the lexer generator. The metaprogramming could have been avoided by using dataclasses (but the marker used python 3.5). (To be clear, the optional portions in which I implement SSA, various optimizations, a Hack-style allocator and some ad-hoc codegen is much less readable.)
    - new4thaccount 7y ago
      Sounds really cool! As someone who programs a bit for work to help with automating processes and fun, but is not a computer scientist I'm a little jealous of never having taken a true database, compilers, PLT, or theory of computation course. It sounds like you and your classmates are top notch and will go on to some pretty freaking cool careers (ex: I'd work at Jane Street if I was not a parent and a lot smarter :)). Out of curiosity, what are the typical places your classmates go upon graduation?

by celrod 7y ago

gricjeh 7y ago

And then again still, the “best programmer” sacrificed code quality in pursuit of quickly producing features. The article doesn’t define code quality measures but I’d still take the lines of code metric as either not a measure of value in itself or with a massive grain of salt.

firethief 7y ago
That was the right tradeoff for the situation. I think any attempt to use this case study to draw conclusions about maintainability would be a mistake; that's just not what this is useful for.
- 256 7y ago
  Hi. I wrote the python implementation. I've had prior experience with compilers and I'm obviously biased but I would say it's quite readable. The main compiler part (without optional features or the LR(1) or lexer generator) is 2040 lines and contains very little magic. It would be easy to translate 1-1 to idiomatic C++ for instance - it would just be much more verbose. eval() is only used by the lexer generator. The metaprogramming could have been avoided by using dataclasses (but the marker used python 3.5). (To be clear, the optional portions in which I implement SSA, various optimizations, a Hack-style allocator and some ad-hoc codegen is much less readable.)
  - new4thaccount 7y ago
    Sounds really cool! As someone who programs a bit for work to help with automating processes and fun, but is not a computer scientist I'm a little jealous of never having taken a true database, compilers, PLT, or theory of computation course. It sounds like you and your classmates are top notch and will go on to some pretty freaking cool careers (ex: I'd work at Jane Street if I was not a parent and a lot smarter :)). Out of curiosity, what are the typical places your classmates go upon graduation?