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Global Peace Index (GPI)

22 points by deepaksurti 7y ago

threwawasy1228 7y ago
It is interesting how the United States ranks lower than some African countries in the midst of war. Something to consider.
- trevyn 7y ago
  There appear to be several components of the methodology that are not adjusted for country size.
Waterluvian 7y ago
For a decade or so I've had this semi-joke of curating "The League of Reasonable Nations." I add and remove countries over time. It's a subjective categorization of countries that I find to be "reasonable". It's interesting that these countries repeatedly show up in lists together, like GPI. I think it has to do with my own biases + liberalism + development + peacefulness.
- mbroncano 7y ago
  That’s really interesting! I’ve been also noticing a similar pattern myself, in which such a list seems to be comprised of pretty much most of Western Europe, AUS+NZ and some other northern, semi-European (as a way of speaking) countries e.g. Canada and Iceland. Another, half-joking way of looking at it would be ‘countries that do not present a significant immigration towards the US’
  - sealsacrifice 7y ago
    Or, in other words "countries that have a higher percentage of white people?"
  - Waterluvian 7y ago
    I bet the list also lines up with socialised medicine.
dmos62 7y ago
It would be great to have the composing variables available, i.e. uncompressed into a single number. I wanted to play around with multidimensional data about global trends like these for a while now, but looking up all that data can be a drag, if possible at all.
- yorwba 7y ago
  The report also contains "domain scores" for "ongoing domestic and international conflict", "social safety and security" as well as "militarisation" in appendix C: http://visionofhumanity.org/app/uploads/2018/06/Global-Peace-Index-2018-2.pdf http://visionofhumanity.org/app/uploads/2018/06/Global-Peace... Of course those are still just single numbers aggregated from many different factors. However, the sources for those factors are named and are in many cases available online (although sometimes paywalled, or offering no convenient download functionality). Uppsala Conflict Data Program https://ucdp.uu.se/downloads/ https://ucdp.uu.se/downloads/ IISS Armed Conflict Database (paywalled) https://www.iiss.org/publications/armed-conflict-database/ https://www.iiss.org/publications/armed-conflict-database/ UNHCR Refugee Population Statistics https://data.humdata.org/dataset/unhcr-refugee-pop-stats https://data.humdata.org/dataset/unhcr-refugee-pop-stats Global Internal Displacement Database http://www.internal-displacement.org/database http://www.internal-displacement.org/database UNODC Crime Statistics https://dataunodc.un.org/crime https://dataunodc.un.org/crime The Economist Intelligence Unit (paywalled) https://data.eiu.com/ https://data.eiu.com/ World Prison Brief http://prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population-total?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All http://prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population... Stockholm International Peace Institute https://sipri.org/databases https://sipri.org/databases United Nations Register of Conventional Arms https://www.unroca.org/ https://www.unroca.org/
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frul 7y ago
I am a liberal-minded man that live in a Russian provincial city and witness low crime rates and non-existent internal conflicts yet we seat below Pakistan. I think this rating can be safely considered trash
- petre 7y ago
  Your country has attacked Georgia in 2008, invaded Ukraine in 2014, participated in the Syrian civil war in 2015. You could get drafted and sent to war.
  - python_gt_r5 7y ago
    What happens to a few can't be representative for the country as a whole. Sending aircraft to Syria tells nothing about the peace in the country.
- goto11 7y ago
  The index is not about how safe or peaceful it is to live inside the country. It is about "the extent to which countries are involved in ongoing domestic and international conflicts"
- LMYahooTFY 7y ago
  It's not useful for anything other than macroscopic consideration. We rank order countries by a single aggregate metric all the time. It seems clear that one number is going to tell you very little about a given country's individual cities.
vibrato 7y ago
Shadow ban all white males!
Ftuuky 7y ago
Delighted for Portugal's continuous presence in the top 5.
throwaway8879 7y ago
All these lists are great but as someone who comes from a place that has no respect for free thinking and the right to free expression, the only indicator that matters to me personally is a "freedom of speech index". Peace doesn't mean much if it's enforced by the collective to silence the individual through the threat of violence. Let's not forget that Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi led their Nations with greater "peace" than their successors.
python_gt_r5 7y ago
Probably another leftist/liberal joke organization trying to manipulate data to promote an image of self-virtue among their peers. "Look how bad is America!" "Look at the peaceful African countries, they are happy with so little!"
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22 points by deepaksurti 7y ago

It is interesting how the United States ranks lower than some African countries in the midst of war. Something to consider.

trevyn 7y ago
There appear to be several components of the methodology that are not adjusted for country size.

Waterluvian 7y ago

For a decade or so I've had this semi-joke of curating "The League of Reasonable Nations." I add and remove countries over time. It's a subjective categorization of countries that I find to be "reasonable". It's interesting that these countries repeatedly show up in lists together, like GPI. I think it has to do with my own biases + liberalism + development + peacefulness.

mbroncano 7y ago
That’s really interesting! I’ve been also noticing a similar pattern myself, in which such a list seems to be comprised of pretty much most of Western Europe, AUS+NZ and some other northern, semi-European (as a way of speaking) countries e.g. Canada and Iceland. Another, half-joking way of looking at it would be ‘countries that do not present a significant immigration towards the US’
- sealsacrifice 7y ago
  Or, in other words "countries that have a higher percentage of white people?"
- Waterluvian 7y ago
  I bet the list also lines up with socialised medicine.

dmos62 7y ago

It would be great to have the composing variables available, i.e. uncompressed into a single number. I wanted to play around with multidimensional data about global trends like these for a while now, but looking up all that data can be a drag, if possible at all.

yorwba 7y ago
The report also contains "domain scores" for "ongoing domestic and international conflict", "social safety and security" as well as "militarisation" in appendix C: http://visionofhumanity.org/app/uploads/2018/06/Global-Peace-Index-2018-2.pdf http://visionofhumanity.org/app/uploads/2018/06/Global-Peace... Of course those are still just single numbers aggregated from many different factors. However, the sources for those factors are named and are in many cases available online (although sometimes paywalled, or offering no convenient download functionality). Uppsala Conflict Data Program https://ucdp.uu.se/downloads/ https://ucdp.uu.se/downloads/ IISS Armed Conflict Database (paywalled) https://www.iiss.org/publications/armed-conflict-database/ https://www.iiss.org/publications/armed-conflict-database/ UNHCR Refugee Population Statistics https://data.humdata.org/dataset/unhcr-refugee-pop-stats https://data.humdata.org/dataset/unhcr-refugee-pop-stats Global Internal Displacement Database http://www.internal-displacement.org/database http://www.internal-displacement.org/database UNODC Crime Statistics https://dataunodc.un.org/crime https://dataunodc.un.org/crime The Economist Intelligence Unit (paywalled) https://data.eiu.com/ https://data.eiu.com/ World Prison Brief http://prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population-total?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All http://prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population... Stockholm International Peace Institute https://sipri.org/databases https://sipri.org/databases United Nations Register of Conventional Arms https://www.unroca.org/ https://www.unroca.org/

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frul 7y ago

I am a liberal-minded man that live in a Russian provincial city and witness low crime rates and non-existent internal conflicts yet we seat below Pakistan. I think this rating can be safely considered trash

petre 7y ago
Your country has attacked Georgia in 2008, invaded Ukraine in 2014, participated in the Syrian civil war in 2015. You could get drafted and sent to war.
- python_gt_r5 7y ago
  What happens to a few can't be representative for the country as a whole. Sending aircraft to Syria tells nothing about the peace in the country.
goto11 7y ago
The index is not about how safe or peaceful it is to live inside the country. It is about "the extent to which countries are involved in ongoing domestic and international conflicts"
LMYahooTFY 7y ago
It's not useful for anything other than macroscopic consideration. We rank order countries by a single aggregate metric all the time. It seems clear that one number is going to tell you very little about a given country's individual cities.

vibrato 7y ago

Shadow ban all white males!

Ftuuky 7y ago

Delighted for Portugal's continuous presence in the top 5.

throwaway8879 7y ago

All these lists are great but as someone who comes from a place that has no respect for free thinking and the right to free expression, the only indicator that matters to me personally is a "freedom of speech index". Peace doesn't mean much if it's enforced by the collective to silence the individual through the threat of violence. Let's not forget that Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi led their Nations with greater "peace" than their successors.

python_gt_r5 7y ago

Probably another leftist/liberal joke organization trying to manipulate data to promote an image of self-virtue among their peers. "Look how bad is America!" "Look at the peaceful African countries, they are happy with so little!"

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