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Oh, well, as a "mainlander", I tell you: Hong Kong citizens WILL lose all their rights, and it will come sooner than you think. If you watched this protest and

by rqs 7y ago

Oh, well, as a "mainlander", I tell you: Hong Kong citizens WILL lose all their rights, and it will come sooner than you think. If you watched this protest and all their other protests, it is very easy to see one thing: Their action is isolated， they don't have the power to unite people other than themselves. Nobody besides themselves will stand for them. Nobody in mainland support them, nobody in mainland understand them. Many mainlanders even developed Schadenfreude when looking at those protests. (OK, "Nobody" is a bit of over exaggeration, but fairly right if you want to feel the situation) Why? Because they are protest only for their own rights, on their own little land that nobody cares anymore. It's not about greater good, not "making the entire China democratic". Just "We're Hongkongers, we are special, so we must have those rights", while don't give a damn when the rest of China is been stripped clean. How many HongKonger protested when Xi changed the Constitution? Not this much. Nobody cares about your right if you don't defend the right of the others. 50 years, if they don't change China for the better, China will change them, as simple as that.

frequentnapper 7y ago
A bit hypocritical of you to complain about them not protesting for your rights, when you are unwilling to protest for theirs.
- rqs 7y ago
  I was actually expecting this kind of comment. People in HongKong only have this few years left to able conduct protest at that scale while keeping themselves relatively safe. In China mainland, you do that, you're in prison for life or worst. You know what, "worst" is not good enough to describe what could happen. There was a case that might show you what could happen if the police got you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Jia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Jia Yang Jia was a man who killed 6 police mans in 2008. Why? Because the police interrogated him for riding an unregistered bicycle. The method of interrogation which the English version of Wikipedia does not fully mention (But mentioned in the Chinese version) including electrically shock this man's genital cause it to dysfunction. Let me ask you this: Will you risk your life to protest for your right knowing there will be no good end for you after? So that's why currently, the safest thing for mainlanders to do is focus on earning money, and use the money to trade for freedom (For example: to have a better social status and/or to be able to move to another country etc), and hope for things could change for the better in the future. I hope now you can understand why I'm so "hypocritical" on this.
hker 7y ago
Disclosure: Hong Konger > Why? Because they are protest only for their own rights, on their own little land that nobody cares anymore. It's not about greater good, not "making the entire China democratic". Just "We're Hongkongers, we are special, so we must have those rights", while don't give a damn when the rest of China is been stripped clean. Every year on 4 June, Hong Kong people hold a vigil in Victoria Park for the Tiananmen square crackdown [1][2], and one main theme of the vigil is to continue the spirit of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests: to make the entire China democratic (one of the slogans is 建設民主中國, literally to make China democratic). In these years, this vigil in Hong Kong is the largest gathering to demand making the entire China democratic in the whole world. Given that Hong Kong people are doing that every year on 4 June, I think it is reasonable that in this case--anti extraditions law protests on 9 June and 16 June this year--Hong Kong people are doing something else. But this does not mean that Hong Kong people do not fight for democracy in China or for greater good--to say the least, this anti extraditions law protest also benefits foreigners who stay in Hong Kong, or merely in transit. Also, there are 6000 PLA troops stationed in Hong Kong, and there were cases of Hong Kong people getting abducted into China for publishing books that some members of CCP do not like [3]. There are not much more that Hong Kong people can do for themselves and for mainlanders... if you have better suggestions, please let us know. I think they are doing their best. > Nobody cares about your right if you don't defend the right of the others. Then what have mainlanders done for Hong Kong? [1]: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=64+hong+kong+vigil https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=64+hong+kong+vi... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorials_for_the_1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorials_for_the_1989_Tiananm... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearan...
- rqs 7y ago
  > Then what have mainlanders done for Hong Kong? Nothing good, and it will continue to be this way. And it's NOT out of despision, no, it's simply because it's impossible to do it safely in China. The political climate here is so toxic and dangerous, it is unethical to even think to put people on street. But, one thing HongKongers must understand is, your future is linked with mainlanders, for better or worse. We may not see each other eye to eye on other many topics, but this, this is the problem we both facing. Also, many mainlanders is actually quite supportive about some protests. Simply search Twitter with the right keyword you can find many https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%E6%94%AF%E6%8C%81%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF&src=typd https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%E6%9...
chewz 7y ago
China is a bilion people ruled by small clique and their security apparatus. If you guys unite you will be unstoppable. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989
- soiheard 7y ago
  ...at the cost of the lives of most of our friends and family. No thanks, like one of the other posters said, focusing on earning more money is the best way of making it. Freedom's overrated when food/shelter/amenities/relaxation options are plentiful. And if these start to suffer, having enough money gives access to other areas of the world.

by rqs 7y ago

frequentnapper 7y ago

A bit hypocritical of you to complain about them not protesting for your rights, when you are unwilling to protest for theirs.

rqs 7y ago
I was actually expecting this kind of comment. People in HongKong only have this few years left to able conduct protest at that scale while keeping themselves relatively safe. In China mainland, you do that, you're in prison for life or worst. You know what, "worst" is not good enough to describe what could happen. There was a case that might show you what could happen if the police got you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Jia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Jia Yang Jia was a man who killed 6 police mans in 2008. Why? Because the police interrogated him for riding an unregistered bicycle. The method of interrogation which the English version of Wikipedia does not fully mention (But mentioned in the Chinese version) including electrically shock this man's genital cause it to dysfunction. Let me ask you this: Will you risk your life to protest for your right knowing there will be no good end for you after? So that's why currently, the safest thing for mainlanders to do is focus on earning money, and use the money to trade for freedom (For example: to have a better social status and/or to be able to move to another country etc), and hope for things could change for the better in the future. I hope now you can understand why I'm so "hypocritical" on this.

hker 7y ago

Disclosure: Hong Konger > Why? Because they are protest only for their own rights, on their own little land that nobody cares anymore. It's not about greater good, not "making the entire China democratic". Just "We're Hongkongers, we are special, so we must have those rights", while don't give a damn when the rest of China is been stripped clean. Every year on 4 June, Hong Kong people hold a vigil in Victoria Park for the Tiananmen square crackdown [1][2], and one main theme of the vigil is to continue the spirit of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests: to make the entire China democratic (one of the slogans is 建設民主中國, literally to make China democratic). In these years, this vigil in Hong Kong is the largest gathering to demand making the entire China democratic in the whole world. Given that Hong Kong people are doing that every year on 4 June, I think it is reasonable that in this case--anti extraditions law protests on 9 June and 16 June this year--Hong Kong people are doing something else. But this does not mean that Hong Kong people do not fight for democracy in China or for greater good--to say the least, this anti extraditions law protest also benefits foreigners who stay in Hong Kong, or merely in transit. Also, there are 6000 PLA troops stationed in Hong Kong, and there were cases of Hong Kong people getting abducted into China for publishing books that some members of CCP do not like [3]. There are not much more that Hong Kong people can do for themselves and for mainlanders... if you have better suggestions, please let us know. I think they are doing their best. > Nobody cares about your right if you don't defend the right of the others. Then what have mainlanders done for Hong Kong? [1]: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=64+hong+kong+vigil https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=64+hong+kong+vi... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorials_for_the_1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorials_for_the_1989_Tiananm... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearan...

rqs 7y ago
> Then what have mainlanders done for Hong Kong? Nothing good, and it will continue to be this way. And it's NOT out of despision, no, it's simply because it's impossible to do it safely in China. The political climate here is so toxic and dangerous, it is unethical to even think to put people on street. But, one thing HongKongers must understand is, your future is linked with mainlanders, for better or worse. We may not see each other eye to eye on other many topics, but this, this is the problem we both facing. Also, many mainlanders is actually quite supportive about some protests. Simply search Twitter with the right keyword you can find many https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%E6%94%AF%E6%8C%81%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF&src=typd https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%E6%9...

chewz 7y ago

China is a bilion people ruled by small clique and their security apparatus. If you guys unite you will be unstoppable. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989

soiheard 7y ago
...at the cost of the lives of most of our friends and family. No thanks, like one of the other posters said, focusing on earning more money is the best way of making it. Freedom's overrated when food/shelter/amenities/relaxation options are plentiful. And if these start to suffer, having enough money gives access to other areas of the world.