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The protesters get what they want: this is the Chinese government's evil plan. The protesters couldn't get what they want: this is the Chinese government's evil

The protesters get what they want: this is the Chinese government's evil plan. The protesters couldn't get what they want: this is the Chinese government's evil plan. Next time please just say that the Chinese government is evil, save all the typing.

xtirpation 7y ago
The bill is only suspended indefinitely, not withdrawn. The protesters don't have what they want yet. It would not surprise me if the suspension were quietly lifted in the future when the world has moved on from the protests.
- confusedhnguy 7y ago
  Yes, they still need to push further if they want to make sure the bill never get passed. > suspension were quietly lifted in the future when the world has moved on from the protests Very unlikely to happen in the social media era. Even in mainland China, where most of the Westerners fantasize about being a 1984-like society, someone on social media can always dig eye-catching new bills/laws/regulations out and raise some attention on Weibo/various online forums. Out of all the 7.4 million people in HK, it only takes one guy to discover the attempt and post it online (even on HN), and the West will be all over it.
tempguy9999 7y ago
> The protesters get what they want: this is the Chinese government's evil plan The protesters didn't get what they want hence are considering further protests. Whether they are wise or not was my point. There's no absolute but... Imprisoning over a million Uighurs for their religion, and disappearing people for their political beliefs is evil, so yes, the chinese gov't is evil in that sense. Let's look at your prior history: "Also, the UK is extremely famous for intentionally or unintentionally leaving a mess when it leaves..." "Little did I know about all the ignorant and arrogant comments I was about to see. The West needs a new enemy" "The average westerners only want to accuse China so they can feel good about themselves for a while" Anything to declare?
- confusedhnguy 7y ago
  > Imprisoning over a million Uighurs Have you tried to image what kind of resource does it need to do this? How many prisons and guards are needed? How many hospitals, power stations and other related facilities are required to support this? Where are the satellite images? If we are arresting them for their Islamic religion, how come I still have a large amount of Hui friends hanging out with me just as usual? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people Trusting the Western media unconditionally without thinking about how ridiculous the news are, truly ignorant and arrogant. Surely your media will never lie or leaving important facts out, like the terrorist attacks happened in China. But I am sure your media has already painted them as some kind of freedom fighters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    I'll read the links, thanks. > Have you tried to image what kind of resource does it need to do this? Imprisoning 0.1% of your population is quite doable > How many prisons and guards are needed? Quite a few: "As easy as it may be to silently whisk away thousands of people to new re-education centres, skyrocketing prisoner would also require a huge recruitment drive. According to Zenz, from May 2017, counties with large ethnic minority populations “initiated a wave of recruitments” for so-called education and training centres". From <https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-many-people-are-imprisoned-in-xinjiang-china-government-documents-2018-5?nojs=1> https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-many-people-are-impri... > Where are the satellite images? <https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/world/asia/xinjiang-china-forced-labor-camps-uighurs.html> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/world/asia/xinjiang-china... > how come I still have a large amount of Hui friends hanging out with me just as usual I dunno, you tell me. > Trusting the Western media unconditionally without thinking about how ridiculous the news are, truly ignorant and arrogant True, and I do try to. You don't seem to be similarly encumbered. > Surely your media will never lie or leaving important facts out, like the terrorist attacks happened in China So that's why they're imprisoning a million people! for an attack by six people (which killed 31 people others). You agree that it's happening now because you've explained why it's happening > But I am sure your media has already painted them as some kind of freedom fighters They have not. By the way, who do you work for?

xtirpation 7y ago

The bill is only suspended indefinitely, not withdrawn. The protesters don't have what they want yet. It would not surprise me if the suspension were quietly lifted in the future when the world has moved on from the protests.

confusedhnguy 7y ago
Yes, they still need to push further if they want to make sure the bill never get passed. > suspension were quietly lifted in the future when the world has moved on from the protests Very unlikely to happen in the social media era. Even in mainland China, where most of the Westerners fantasize about being a 1984-like society, someone on social media can always dig eye-catching new bills/laws/regulations out and raise some attention on Weibo/various online forums. Out of all the 7.4 million people in HK, it only takes one guy to discover the attempt and post it online (even on HN), and the West will be all over it.

tempguy9999 7y ago

> The protesters get what they want: this is the Chinese government's evil plan The protesters didn't get what they want hence are considering further protests. Whether they are wise or not was my point. There's no absolute but... Imprisoning over a million Uighurs for their religion, and disappearing people for their political beliefs is evil, so yes, the chinese gov't is evil in that sense. Let's look at your prior history: "Also, the UK is extremely famous for intentionally or unintentionally leaving a mess when it leaves..." "Little did I know about all the ignorant and arrogant comments I was about to see. The West needs a new enemy" "The average westerners only want to accuse China so they can feel good about themselves for a while" Anything to declare?

confusedhnguy 7y ago
> Imprisoning over a million Uighurs Have you tried to image what kind of resource does it need to do this? How many prisons and guards are needed? How many hospitals, power stations and other related facilities are required to support this? Where are the satellite images? If we are arresting them for their Islamic religion, how come I still have a large amount of Hui friends hanging out with me just as usual? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people Trusting the Western media unconditionally without thinking about how ridiculous the news are, truly ignorant and arrogant. Surely your media will never lie or leaving important facts out, like the terrorist attacks happened in China. But I am sure your media has already painted them as some kind of freedom fighters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  I'll read the links, thanks. > Have you tried to image what kind of resource does it need to do this? Imprisoning 0.1% of your population is quite doable > How many prisons and guards are needed? Quite a few: "As easy as it may be to silently whisk away thousands of people to new re-education centres, skyrocketing prisoner would also require a huge recruitment drive. According to Zenz, from May 2017, counties with large ethnic minority populations “initiated a wave of recruitments” for so-called education and training centres". From <https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-many-people-are-imprisoned-in-xinjiang-china-government-documents-2018-5?nojs=1> https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-many-people-are-impri... > Where are the satellite images? <https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/world/asia/xinjiang-china-forced-labor-camps-uighurs.html> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/world/asia/xinjiang-china... > how come I still have a large amount of Hui friends hanging out with me just as usual I dunno, you tell me. > Trusting the Western media unconditionally without thinking about how ridiculous the news are, truly ignorant and arrogant True, and I do try to. You don't seem to be similarly encumbered. > Surely your media will never lie or leaving important facts out, like the terrorist attacks happened in China So that's why they're imprisoning a million people! for an attack by six people (which killed 31 people others). You agree that it's happening now because you've explained why it's happening > But I am sure your media has already painted them as some kind of freedom fighters They have not. By the way, who do you work for?