> Most super popular games these days have a short skill ceiling and an accessible skill floor; encouraging getting good isn't a major focus of design. What ga

> Most super popular games these days have a short skill ceiling and an accessible skill floor; encouraging getting good isn't a major focus of design. What games are you thinking about where this applies? Many of the most popular games with which I'm familiar (Overwatch, PUBG, Starcraft II, DotA, League of Legends, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, etc.) seem to have very high skill ceilings. That is, high-level competitive players in those games are way better than the average gamer. I think a big way these games bring in players/stay current is by having a very active esports scene -- which only really works when you have "pro" quality players. With the exception of time-gated achievement games (most MMOs, for example), the trend I see is a low barrier-to-entry but a very high skill ceiling. One tactic that seems pretty common is to get people in-game quickly (f2p), teach them the core gameplay mechanics, then make it a very time-consuming grind to achieve the highest levels of play.