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Strange they don’t have that information already. Could this be a parallel construction sort of a thing where they pretend they don’t have the data already?

ineedasername 7y ago
Why would it be strange? And what alternative method of obtaining it would they have? It doesn't seem like a stretch to get the warrant approved, so I don't know why they'd go to any great lengths to have gotten the same information in a method that couldn't be used in courts.
- swebs 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
meowface 7y ago
The FBI can't just ask the NSA to hack every US company every time they want some information from it. I'm sure they do for the big dogs, as revealed from their collaboration in targeting Tor hidden services, and for anything concerning espionage and national security, but the vast majority of the time they're stuck trudging through the long legal process like every other law enforcement institution (such as your local PD). I doubt 8chan was high on their radar before this attack.
- DataWorker 7y ago
  How could 8chan not be on their radar after Christchurch?
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    Knowing about it and having the multiple kinds of know-how and budget to monitor it are two very different things.
  - meowface 7y ago
    Sorry, I mistakenly thought this warrant was for the Christchurch attack (due to 8chan being a US company). I'm sure they did get on their radar then. And now there are probably meetings just about 8chan.
- superkuh 7y ago
  The FBI doesn't have to ask anyone to do it for them. As the supreme court approved of Rule 41 they now have the authority to get rubber stamped generic search warrants and then hack anyone, anywhere, who is participating on the internet but whom they don't know the name and location of. Being anonymous now makes it legal for the FBI to hack you. ref: supreme court ruling, https://cryptome.org/2016/04/scotus-frcr16_8mad.pdf https://cryptome.org/2016/04/scotus-frcr16_8mad.pdf , https://theintercept.com/2016/04/28/supreme-court-gives-fbi-more-hacking-power/ https://theintercept.com/2016/04/28/supreme-court-gives-fbi-...
ronsor 7y ago
The NSA is not some "magic bullet" and I don't think these wild stories of them knowing everything are necessarily true to the extent implied. At the end of the day, I think most information comes from private companies that give it out.
crashbunny 7y ago
They might have been collecting metadata, that would tell them what ip addresses accessed 8chan but not what they read or posted on 8chan.
OrgNet 7y ago
Sometime they are clueless... not saying that it is the case in this case

ineedasername 7y ago

Why would it be strange? And what alternative method of obtaining it would they have? It doesn't seem like a stretch to get the warrant approved, so I don't know why they'd go to any great lengths to have gotten the same information in a method that couldn't be used in courts.

swebs 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

meowface 7y ago

The FBI can't just ask the NSA to hack every US company every time they want some information from it. I'm sure they do for the big dogs, as revealed from their collaboration in targeting Tor hidden services, and for anything concerning espionage and national security, but the vast majority of the time they're stuck trudging through the long legal process like every other law enforcement institution (such as your local PD). I doubt 8chan was high on their radar before this attack.

DataWorker 7y ago
How could 8chan not be on their radar after Christchurch?
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  Knowing about it and having the multiple kinds of know-how and budget to monitor it are two very different things.
- meowface 7y ago
  Sorry, I mistakenly thought this warrant was for the Christchurch attack (due to 8chan being a US company). I'm sure they did get on their radar then. And now there are probably meetings just about 8chan.
superkuh 7y ago
The FBI doesn't have to ask anyone to do it for them. As the supreme court approved of Rule 41 they now have the authority to get rubber stamped generic search warrants and then hack anyone, anywhere, who is participating on the internet but whom they don't know the name and location of. Being anonymous now makes it legal for the FBI to hack you. ref: supreme court ruling, https://cryptome.org/2016/04/scotus-frcr16_8mad.pdf https://cryptome.org/2016/04/scotus-frcr16_8mad.pdf , https://theintercept.com/2016/04/28/supreme-court-gives-fbi-more-hacking-power/ https://theintercept.com/2016/04/28/supreme-court-gives-fbi-...

ronsor 7y ago

The NSA is not some "magic bullet" and I don't think these wild stories of them knowing everything are necessarily true to the extent implied. At the end of the day, I think most information comes from private companies that give it out.

crashbunny 7y ago

They might have been collecting metadata, that would tell them what ip addresses accessed 8chan but not what they read or posted on 8chan.

OrgNet 7y ago

Sometime they are clueless... not saying that it is the case in this case