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Education is free. Credentials are not. We could spend the next two decades providing everyone with free credentials just in time to realize that the economy

by nugget 7y ago

Education is free. Credentials are not. We could spend the next two decades providing everyone with free credentials just in time to realize that the economy has moved on and they don’t matter any more. This is a more complex problem than policy makers realize as it’s connected deeply into the employment market.

enriquto 7y ago
> Education is free. Credentials are not. So, the least expensive part of the process is the only one that you have to pay an exorbitantly ridiculous amount. I stand by my calling you nuts.
- bargl 7y ago
  K-12 is the least expensive part? I'm willing to be convinced but I don't buy that. If you look at a State School tuition would have to be 3x more than what K-12 would cost for parents. I say state school because I feel that's the best comparison to HS on what it would cost, but again I might be wrong. I just haven't read anything saying that college is the most $$ part compared to K-12 before.
  - danaris 7y ago
    The "least expensive part" he was referring to is, I believe, the piece of paper. You can get vast amounts of education for free nowadays, but if you didn't do it through the approved structure and pay the right people for it, to many people (particularly those hiring), you don't count as knowing any of it. You need the piece of paper, even though it's the actual education that costs so much to create.
    - bargl 7y ago
      That would completely change my answer. Thank you for that perspective.
    - DuskStar 7y ago
      A lot of the disconnect here comes from the signalling aspect of getting a degree. It's not just that you're educated - otherwise companies would have more skills-based hiring - it's that you've proven willing to work through a dysfunctional system to get a fundamentally worthless piece of paper. People willing to work through systems of that sort make for less disruptive employees.

by nugget 7y ago

enriquto 7y ago

> Education is free. Credentials are not. So, the least expensive part of the process is the only one that you have to pay an exorbitantly ridiculous amount. I stand by my calling you nuts.

bargl 7y ago
K-12 is the least expensive part? I'm willing to be convinced but I don't buy that. If you look at a State School tuition would have to be 3x more than what K-12 would cost for parents. I say state school because I feel that's the best comparison to HS on what it would cost, but again I might be wrong. I just haven't read anything saying that college is the most $$ part compared to K-12 before.
- danaris 7y ago
  The "least expensive part" he was referring to is, I believe, the piece of paper. You can get vast amounts of education for free nowadays, but if you didn't do it through the approved structure and pay the right people for it, to many people (particularly those hiring), you don't count as knowing any of it. You need the piece of paper, even though it's the actual education that costs so much to create.
  - bargl 7y ago
    That would completely change my answer. Thank you for that perspective.
  - DuskStar 7y ago
    A lot of the disconnect here comes from the signalling aspect of getting a degree. It's not just that you're educated - otherwise companies would have more skills-based hiring - it's that you've proven willing to work through a dysfunctional system to get a fundamentally worthless piece of paper. People willing to work through systems of that sort make for less disruptive employees.