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There's literally no way to not ask that snarkily. Don't do it. Also, it reeks of "justice driven opinion having" which is scary beyond reason for an employer

There's literally no way to not ask that snarkily. Don't do it. Also, it reeks of "justice driven opinion having" which is scary beyond reason for an employer, e.g. "They didn't ask for this feature the right way so I'm not going to deliver it/deliver it in a way that makes them unhappy."

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sbov 7y ago
There's plenty of ways to do it non-snarkily. Interviews go both ways. If you have a problem simply saying something like "nah, these are just screening problems, it's hard to come up with good ones" then it sounds like there's deeper problems here. Like, the company having issues recognizing even obvious flaws in its own processes.
- diminoten 7y ago
  You will be looking for jobs forever if you read that much into every interaction, and possibly for good reason.
scottLobster 7y ago
I know it's the internet, but you seem to projecting a certain tone onto my statements that wouldn't be there. I don't know where you got "justice driven opinion having" from, it's mission-driven opinion having. They need to know I can code my way out of a shoe-box, and in return I need to know they can lead a team of engineers through a Chuck-E-Cheese ball pit. Someone who gets defensive about an honest, neutral-tone question about their interview process is likely going to be defensive about more important decisions, which means they take feedback poorly and are likely a poor leader. This is assuming I'm talking to a hiring manager and not an HR rep. I don't apply to missions I'm not willing to work overtime for. If I'm going to make sacrifices for whatever my employment does, I require that my leadership shares my commitment and is fundamentally competent such that they don't needlessly waste my sacrifices. In any interview I'll be probing for that as respectfully as I can, just as they'll be probing me for technical aptitude and whatever character profile they're looking for.
- diminoten 7y ago
  But that's not what you're accomplishing by asking that question, you're taking a moral position beyond your role on a topic you're not an expert in. What you're demonstrating is your lack of perspective and a hubris that can poison a team, turning it into a snake put where people "neutrally" question every decision. The mere fact that you think you can neutrally ask a question like that is a red flag.
  - scottLobster 7y ago
    Or I'm just politely asking for confirmation of what I'm interviewing for, as I'm participating in said interview. You sound like that proverbial manager who refused to hire someone because at the lunch interview the candidate put salt on his fries before trying them, and the hiring manager extrapolated that to mean he doesn't properly analyze situations before acting. As for "role" and "expert", you seem to think that in an interview my job is to be subordinate. Quite the contrary, at present I'm not unemployed and my bills are paid. I'm looking for an upgrade, not a necessity. So in an interview I'm still deciding if the company is worthy of my subordination/my making them more money. I may not be leadership, but I can pick which leader to support. Leaders who are oversensitive to basic, polite questioning during a job interview clearly don't want/need help that badly. Now once a subordinate, obviously there are times/places for questions and times/places when they are not helpful. But if you consider questioning decisions in general "poison" for your team, and you fear your team turning into a "snake pit" if someone starts asking questions, then that points to a severe lack of trust and/or poor communication between you and your subordinates. Either of which would turn me away even if you offered to double my salary.
    - diminoten 7y ago
      It's not honest. You're not asking the question to better understand the situation, you're asking the question to make a rhetorical point. You're not expressing your opinion, you're hiding your opinion, and setting up a "trap" for the employer to possibly fall into if they answer "incorrectly". You think you know better. Asking questions doesn't create a snake pit, not being straightforward with your opinions does. Asking leading questions that force people to not trust your motivations will certainly create a toxic work environment. Related, I don't think you actually believe I was genuinely putting forward the idea that you shouldn't ask questions in your interview. I have some not-great theories about why you chose to do that, but this probably isn't worth the time it'd take to figure it out with you...

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sbov 7y ago

There's plenty of ways to do it non-snarkily. Interviews go both ways. If you have a problem simply saying something like "nah, these are just screening problems, it's hard to come up with good ones" then it sounds like there's deeper problems here. Like, the company having issues recognizing even obvious flaws in its own processes.

diminoten 7y ago
You will be looking for jobs forever if you read that much into every interaction, and possibly for good reason.

scottLobster 7y ago

I know it's the internet, but you seem to projecting a certain tone onto my statements that wouldn't be there. I don't know where you got "justice driven opinion having" from, it's mission-driven opinion having. They need to know I can code my way out of a shoe-box, and in return I need to know they can lead a team of engineers through a Chuck-E-Cheese ball pit. Someone who gets defensive about an honest, neutral-tone question about their interview process is likely going to be defensive about more important decisions, which means they take feedback poorly and are likely a poor leader. This is assuming I'm talking to a hiring manager and not an HR rep. I don't apply to missions I'm not willing to work overtime for. If I'm going to make sacrifices for whatever my employment does, I require that my leadership shares my commitment and is fundamentally competent such that they don't needlessly waste my sacrifices. In any interview I'll be probing for that as respectfully as I can, just as they'll be probing me for technical aptitude and whatever character profile they're looking for.

diminoten 7y ago
But that's not what you're accomplishing by asking that question, you're taking a moral position beyond your role on a topic you're not an expert in. What you're demonstrating is your lack of perspective and a hubris that can poison a team, turning it into a snake put where people "neutrally" question every decision. The mere fact that you think you can neutrally ask a question like that is a red flag.
- scottLobster 7y ago
  Or I'm just politely asking for confirmation of what I'm interviewing for, as I'm participating in said interview. You sound like that proverbial manager who refused to hire someone because at the lunch interview the candidate put salt on his fries before trying them, and the hiring manager extrapolated that to mean he doesn't properly analyze situations before acting. As for "role" and "expert", you seem to think that in an interview my job is to be subordinate. Quite the contrary, at present I'm not unemployed and my bills are paid. I'm looking for an upgrade, not a necessity. So in an interview I'm still deciding if the company is worthy of my subordination/my making them more money. I may not be leadership, but I can pick which leader to support. Leaders who are oversensitive to basic, polite questioning during a job interview clearly don't want/need help that badly. Now once a subordinate, obviously there are times/places for questions and times/places when they are not helpful. But if you consider questioning decisions in general "poison" for your team, and you fear your team turning into a "snake pit" if someone starts asking questions, then that points to a severe lack of trust and/or poor communication between you and your subordinates. Either of which would turn me away even if you offered to double my salary.
  - diminoten 7y ago
    It's not honest. You're not asking the question to better understand the situation, you're asking the question to make a rhetorical point. You're not expressing your opinion, you're hiding your opinion, and setting up a "trap" for the employer to possibly fall into if they answer "incorrectly". You think you know better. Asking questions doesn't create a snake pit, not being straightforward with your opinions does. Asking leading questions that force people to not trust your motivations will certainly create a toxic work environment. Related, I don't think you actually believe I was genuinely putting forward the idea that you shouldn't ask questions in your interview. I have some not-great theories about why you chose to do that, but this probably isn't worth the time it'd take to figure it out with you...