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Being able to read and debug code is a different skillset from first hand development.

by xfitm3 7y ago

marcinzm 7y ago
If you're depending on open source software then you also need to be able to fix the code in question. And do so in a way which the project would accept. Otherwise, your bug report may linger until the end of time.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Then hire for software engineering. Don't lie to candidates that it's a systems admin or devops role. It's pathetic employers keep demanding more skill and free work for the same pay.
  - dbancajas 7y ago
    then they can't pay you little. LOL. I'd end the interview right there especially if the salary is low.
  - marcinzm 7y ago
    >It's pathetic employers keep demanding more skill and free work for the same pay. In my experience DevOps pays better than SE (and much better than sys admin) because it requires a diverse set of skills. DevOps in that context is not just a new term for sys admin.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      I have yet to see DevOps roles that require "diverse set of skills" beyond sysadmin skills, very basic knowledge of at least one language such as Java, Go, or Python (occasionally only PowerShell if its a Microsoft shop) and either Terraform or Cloudformation for IAC. The pay delta between the two roles is less than you think (excluding SF/BA market, but that market is always an outlier). DevOps is sysadmin with more scripting, more infrastructure as code, and more expectation that you're an underpaid SRE. It also seems like DevOps role demand more unpaid on call responsibilities, where this is usually not the case with traditional sysadmin roles (or it's spread across a much larger team, negating the pain). YMMV. Disclaimer: 20+ years in tech, the majority in ops roles.
- dbancajas 7y ago
  a lot of SW out there are just plumbing code. Rarely you see dynamic programming/recursion algo. Most use standard library as the implementation is solid and kinks have been ironed out.
  - marcinzm 7y ago
    Sure but that's a discussion on the value of leetcode itself which I've not argued one way or another. I'm simply saying that IF a company (many do) assumes leetcode is a way of gauging SE talent then it'd make sense to use the same criteria for gauging SE talent in DevOps.

Being able to read and debug code is a different skillset from first hand development.

by xfitm3 7y ago

Being able to read and debug code is a different skillset from first hand development.

If you're depending on open source software then you also need to be able to fix the code in question. And do so in a way which the project would accept. Otherwise, your bug report may linger until the end of time.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Then hire for software engineering. Don't lie to candidates that it's a systems admin or devops role. It's pathetic employers keep demanding more skill and free work for the same pay.
- dbancajas 7y ago
  then they can't pay you little. LOL. I'd end the interview right there especially if the salary is low.
- marcinzm 7y ago
  >It's pathetic employers keep demanding more skill and free work for the same pay. In my experience DevOps pays better than SE (and much better than sys admin) because it requires a diverse set of skills. DevOps in that context is not just a new term for sys admin.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    I have yet to see DevOps roles that require "diverse set of skills" beyond sysadmin skills, very basic knowledge of at least one language such as Java, Go, or Python (occasionally only PowerShell if its a Microsoft shop) and either Terraform or Cloudformation for IAC. The pay delta between the two roles is less than you think (excluding SF/BA market, but that market is always an outlier). DevOps is sysadmin with more scripting, more infrastructure as code, and more expectation that you're an underpaid SRE. It also seems like DevOps role demand more unpaid on call responsibilities, where this is usually not the case with traditional sysadmin roles (or it's spread across a much larger team, negating the pain). YMMV. Disclaimer: 20+ years in tech, the majority in ops roles.
dbancajas 7y ago
a lot of SW out there are just plumbing code. Rarely you see dynamic programming/recursion algo. Most use standard library as the implementation is solid and kinks have been ironed out.
- marcinzm 7y ago
  Sure but that's a discussion on the value of leetcode itself which I've not argued one way or another. I'm simply saying that IF a company (many do) assumes leetcode is a way of gauging SE talent then it'd make sense to use the same criteria for gauging SE talent in DevOps.