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They can, it depends on the role. Not referring to you but I have never understood why DevOps at many companies can’t program and are just hired to copy paste f

They can, it depends on the role. Not referring to you but I have never understood why DevOps at many companies can’t program and are just hired to copy paste files. “DevOps is a set of software development practices that combines software development and information technology operations to shorten the systems development life cycle while delivering features, fixes, and updates frequently in close alignment with business objectives.”

opportune 7y ago
Most of the devops (side question, is SRE technically devops?) people I work with are programmers who know a lot about test+build frameworks, CICD, cloud resource management, etc. I don't think it would be appropriate to call someone copy-pasting templates, manually adding VMs, etc. "devops"
- simplyinfinity 7y ago
  In my previous job we had hired a windows system administrator with no coding/scripting skills whatsoever with title as DevOps engineer, he didn't know anything about what developers do and CI & CD practices. So he ended up just managing updates (manually) on vms and restoring backups . But i see this more of a failure of management rather than the guys fault. Management heard a buzzword, and hired based on what they have hired before.
- dev_dull 7y ago
  > Most of the devops (side question, is SRE technically devops?) In my experience a “good” SRE, devops engineer, or software engineer is difficult to distinguish in skills. It’s more about responsibilities. This is especially true of the folks I’ve met from FANG.
- dijit 7y ago
  SRE is a way of implementing devops. It's pretty broadly mentioned in the first pages of the SRE books that google put out. https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/gcp/sre-vs-devops-competing-standards-or-close-friends https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/gcp/sre-vs-devops-com...
- cryptozeus 7y ago
  This is exactly the kind of role my company has. They didn’t even know how to restart web server from command line.
liveoneggs 7y ago
yeah it's weird. I never understood why we hire developers to copy and paste stackoverflow all day either.
- cryptozeus 7y ago
  Ha its a good point but hey atleast they build and publish files.
namdnay 7y ago
I always thought that the whole point of DevOps was to stop having dev and ops and just have engineers who can do it all from A to Z
- notabee 7y ago
  Specialists still exist in DevOps, and it was never supposed to be a singular role. It's a major holistic cultural change that's intended to integrate dev, ops, and other specialties into a shared sense of ownership of the entire software lifecycle instead of sitting in silos and blaming each other for systemic problems. Turning it into a single role without all the major cultural changes is just yet another hunt for heros and silver bullets.

opportune 7y ago

Most of the devops (side question, is SRE technically devops?) people I work with are programmers who know a lot about test+build frameworks, CICD, cloud resource management, etc. I don't think it would be appropriate to call someone copy-pasting templates, manually adding VMs, etc. "devops"

simplyinfinity 7y ago
In my previous job we had hired a windows system administrator with no coding/scripting skills whatsoever with title as DevOps engineer, he didn't know anything about what developers do and CI & CD practices. So he ended up just managing updates (manually) on vms and restoring backups . But i see this more of a failure of management rather than the guys fault. Management heard a buzzword, and hired based on what they have hired before.
dev_dull 7y ago
> Most of the devops (side question, is SRE technically devops?) In my experience a “good” SRE, devops engineer, or software engineer is difficult to distinguish in skills. It’s more about responsibilities. This is especially true of the folks I’ve met from FANG.
dijit 7y ago
SRE is a way of implementing devops. It's pretty broadly mentioned in the first pages of the SRE books that google put out. https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/gcp/sre-vs-devops-competing-standards-or-close-friends https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/gcp/sre-vs-devops-com...
cryptozeus 7y ago
This is exactly the kind of role my company has. They didn’t even know how to restart web server from command line.

liveoneggs 7y ago

yeah it's weird. I never understood why we hire developers to copy and paste stackoverflow all day either.

cryptozeus 7y ago
Ha its a good point but hey atleast they build and publish files.

namdnay 7y ago

I always thought that the whole point of DevOps was to stop having dev and ops and just have engineers who can do it all from A to Z

notabee 7y ago
Specialists still exist in DevOps, and it was never supposed to be a singular role. It's a major holistic cultural change that's intended to integrate dev, ops, and other specialties into a shared sense of ownership of the entire software lifecycle instead of sitting in silos and blaming each other for systemic problems. Turning it into a single role without all the major cultural changes is just yet another hunt for heros and silver bullets.