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Also use Fiverr, and you can find quality designers with portfolios from Dribbble and even some developers that are competent. You have to dig deep but the qua

Also use Fiverr, and you can find quality designers with portfolios from Dribbble and even some developers that are competent. You have to dig deep but the quality is there. The negative attitude in this thread is misplaced. Not sure where it is coming from. For example, I use an iOS developer that charges me $50/hr on Fiverr, and I'm willing to put him against any Google or Facebook developer for quality and exceeding expectations. Although, I will admit that he is a rare find on Fiverr.

bcyn 7y ago
> developer that charges me $50/hr > any Google or Facebook developer for quality and exceeding expectations Something about basic economics tells me that's an exaggeration. But I do agree with your point that there are hidden talents to be found on sites like Fiverr.
- immad 7y ago
  Its most likely geographical arbitrage
- beart 7y ago
  Do you usually find salary to be a strong indicator of skill?
- goobynight 7y ago
  What part of basic economics tells you this? I could think of a few ways that this makes total sense. $50 is $400 in an 8 hour day. There are places where $1000-1500 covers you for the month, even with non-local, white guy pricing. My hourly comes out to "only" $20/hr more, but my apartment alone is likely a few hundred more than this guy's entire monthly expense profile. He's going to get consistent work at this price point, so he won't have to hustle for contacts. That's more time billed or spent on the beach. Stepping away from the economics and getting into comparison to Google/FB engineers, there are tons of people that could outproduce many Google engineers in a startup setting. They just aren't good at Leetcode problems or never took a shot at FB/Google. A lot of stuff just works as an engineer at Google that you don't get for free elsewhere. They're good at leveraging the output of some truly amazing engineers across their org. They're also generally overstaffed.
  - megy 7y ago
    > There are places where $1000-1500 covers you for the month, even with non-local, white guy pricing. This is hilarious. There are places were $300 covers you for the month. I was paying $7 a day rent at a hotel at one stage.
- pzo 7y ago
  a lot of good dev in europe (not only eastern europe) can only dream about $50/hr. A lot of would be willing to work for even less to have a comfort of working remotely from anywhere.
  - danielscrubs 7y ago
    Freelance devs in North Europe costs around 105 USD per hour.
- siquick 7y ago
  Most of the world's developers earn less than $50 an hour.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Another example of the HN bubble. Assuming you can get 1800 hours worth of work a year for $50/hour, that’s $90K a year. That puts you at the 84 percentile of individual income in the US. https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ If I were living in a smaller city like the one I came from, $50/hour would lead to a very comfortable life. Heck, because of $poor_career_choices, I didn’t make $90K until 15 years in my career and by then I had a big house in the burbs (not the most affluent area of town but I was single. I didn’t care about the school system it was safe enough)
bredren 7y ago
Have you tried using upwork? Reason I ask is I’m surprised to hear you can find quality reliable technical consulting on fiverr.
foobiekr 7y ago
We tried using Dribbble at one point to hire designers (ft and project based). Maybe it’s just been our bad luck, but I really think there is something about Dribbble that seems to attract people who think they are at a very different place in their career than their experience, knowledge, skill level or ability to deliver would justify. It’s almost a weird, aspirational site. It had never occurred to me to try Fiverr for this.
- quest88 7y ago
  I find dribble designs pretty to look at but rarely functional and accessible.
- overcast 7y ago
  Dribbble is just a giant circle jerk. It's actually uncomfortable reading through the comments on there. Someone changes a single pixel, on the 10000th iteration of an email icon, and you'd think they created the Sistine Chapel. It's worse than those Instagram travel accounts, where every other comment is about the "mood".
- vidarh 7y ago
  Fiverr is almost reverse. While you find lots of unskilled people, with some effort you also find people who really don't know how to value their skills there. Expect to take some time and try out several people to find them, but it's worth it.
hello_moto 7y ago
> The negative attitude in this thread is misplaced. Not sure where it is coming from. HN is not immune to anything, it's just a place for people to give their opinions. Sometime the opinionated person knows what they're talking about, other times the opinionated person is not a customer of the business and only derives the business based off "one-off" experience, passing knowledge through articles, or SEC-1 numbers (and at the same time the person might hate Wall-Street folks). (just like my comment is just an opinion (^_^)).

bcyn 7y ago

> developer that charges me $50/hr > any Google or Facebook developer for quality and exceeding expectations Something about basic economics tells me that's an exaggeration. But I do agree with your point that there are hidden talents to be found on sites like Fiverr.

immad 7y ago
Its most likely geographical arbitrage
beart 7y ago
Do you usually find salary to be a strong indicator of skill?
goobynight 7y ago
What part of basic economics tells you this? I could think of a few ways that this makes total sense. $50 is $400 in an 8 hour day. There are places where $1000-1500 covers you for the month, even with non-local, white guy pricing. My hourly comes out to "only" $20/hr more, but my apartment alone is likely a few hundred more than this guy's entire monthly expense profile. He's going to get consistent work at this price point, so he won't have to hustle for contacts. That's more time billed or spent on the beach. Stepping away from the economics and getting into comparison to Google/FB engineers, there are tons of people that could outproduce many Google engineers in a startup setting. They just aren't good at Leetcode problems or never took a shot at FB/Google. A lot of stuff just works as an engineer at Google that you don't get for free elsewhere. They're good at leveraging the output of some truly amazing engineers across their org. They're also generally overstaffed.
- megy 7y ago
  > There are places where $1000-1500 covers you for the month, even with non-local, white guy pricing. This is hilarious. There are places were $300 covers you for the month. I was paying $7 a day rent at a hotel at one stage.
pzo 7y ago
a lot of good dev in europe (not only eastern europe) can only dream about $50/hr. A lot of would be willing to work for even less to have a comfort of working remotely from anywhere.
- danielscrubs 7y ago
  Freelance devs in North Europe costs around 105 USD per hour.
siquick 7y ago
Most of the world's developers earn less than $50 an hour.
scarface74 7y ago
Another example of the HN bubble. Assuming you can get 1800 hours worth of work a year for $50/hour, that’s $90K a year. That puts you at the 84 percentile of individual income in the US. https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ If I were living in a smaller city like the one I came from, $50/hour would lead to a very comfortable life. Heck, because of $poor_career_choices, I didn’t make $90K until 15 years in my career and by then I had a big house in the burbs (not the most affluent area of town but I was single. I didn’t care about the school system it was safe enough)

bredren 7y ago

Have you tried using upwork? Reason I ask is I’m surprised to hear you can find quality reliable technical consulting on fiverr.

foobiekr 7y ago

We tried using Dribbble at one point to hire designers (ft and project based). Maybe it’s just been our bad luck, but I really think there is something about Dribbble that seems to attract people who think they are at a very different place in their career than their experience, knowledge, skill level or ability to deliver would justify. It’s almost a weird, aspirational site. It had never occurred to me to try Fiverr for this.

quest88 7y ago
I find dribble designs pretty to look at but rarely functional and accessible.
overcast 7y ago
Dribbble is just a giant circle jerk. It's actually uncomfortable reading through the comments on there. Someone changes a single pixel, on the 10000th iteration of an email icon, and you'd think they created the Sistine Chapel. It's worse than those Instagram travel accounts, where every other comment is about the "mood".
vidarh 7y ago
Fiverr is almost reverse. While you find lots of unskilled people, with some effort you also find people who really don't know how to value their skills there. Expect to take some time and try out several people to find them, but it's worth it.

hello_moto 7y ago

> The negative attitude in this thread is misplaced. Not sure where it is coming from. HN is not immune to anything, it's just a place for people to give their opinions. Sometime the opinionated person knows what they're talking about, other times the opinionated person is not a customer of the business and only derives the business based off "one-off" experience, passing knowledge through articles, or SEC-1 numbers (and at the same time the person might hate Wall-Street folks). (just like my comment is just an opinion (^_^)).