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I'm not trying to weaken your criticism or make you upset, I'm trying to broaden your view. I'm probably -politically- much more aligned with you than it may se

by Fnoord 7y ago

I'm not trying to weaken your criticism or make you upset, I'm trying to broaden your view. I'm probably -politically- much more aligned with you than it may seem throughout these posts. That being said as understandable as it may seem I suggest we refrain from unnecessary name-calling. My point [with the high tree saying which also has an apparently has an English version [1]] is that the leader of the US of A is also a leader of the G7/G8 and G20. Plus, the US is the one of the strongest forces in the world. If not the strongest, military speaking, economically speaking as well (AFAIK). Its also a democratic country where people are free to criticize the sitting president. Such factors matter. They count for every US president. The factors (controversy) regarding Trump's personality amplify these factors even more. Your points about nationalism/patriotism/fascism might also be true (or not). I have no clearly formed opinion on that in combination with this subject. Either way, it'd also be on top of the factors I already described. You could also be patriotic and be against Trump, though, just like you could say what Edward Snowden did was an act of patriotism. [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hoge_bomen_vangen_veel_wind https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hoge_bomen_vangen_veel_wind

VvR-Ox 7y ago
Ok thank you then for pointing that out and I agree that name-calling is unnecessary most of the times. In the case of Trump however I think he has become a figure of a certain way to think and act which is almost meme-esque. Of course we could instead still use Nixon for attitudes like warmongering but the younger generations don't know him that well anymore and to be honest he was not on the same "level" as Trump is. That's why I like to use Trump to clarify certain points and in this case I just wanted to jokingly warn the user about this kind of criticism because I noticed how US-dominated this platform sometimes is. Probably, as all of us speak different languages even when we use the same base (like English) to communicate. Many problems just arise because of misunderstandings. Of course my hypothesis about the nationalism & Co. is based on my experience with US citizens and to my knowledge not scientifically proven (I haven't searched for it and instead just try to do meaningless small-talk when I meet ppl from the US). It's similar with Chinese and Russians - most of them seem to have problems dealing with criticism about their politics. In Germany I know you should restrain yourself from criticizing Israeli politics whereas there is people with whom you can discuss German politics (I mean a real discussion). What you say is also true I think when Austrians or Germans would stand up to their Gvt. if another Nazi-Party tries to take power it would be very patriotic. They love their countries enough to not let something like that happen again. Also I am not "that kind of person" who sees words like "nationalist" or "patriot" as statically but instead know that meaning is also part of the construction of a common reality. I enjoy respectful conversations/discussions like these - you seem to be intelligent and open-minded.

by Fnoord 7y ago

VvR-Ox 7y ago

Ok thank you then for pointing that out and I agree that name-calling is unnecessary most of the times. In the case of Trump however I think he has become a figure of a certain way to think and act which is almost meme-esque. Of course we could instead still use Nixon for attitudes like warmongering but the younger generations don't know him that well anymore and to be honest he was not on the same "level" as Trump is. That's why I like to use Trump to clarify certain points and in this case I just wanted to jokingly warn the user about this kind of criticism because I noticed how US-dominated this platform sometimes is. Probably, as all of us speak different languages even when we use the same base (like English) to communicate. Many problems just arise because of misunderstandings. Of course my hypothesis about the nationalism & Co. is based on my experience with US citizens and to my knowledge not scientifically proven (I haven't searched for it and instead just try to do meaningless small-talk when I meet ppl from the US). It's similar with Chinese and Russians - most of them seem to have problems dealing with criticism about their politics. In Germany I know you should restrain yourself from criticizing Israeli politics whereas there is people with whom you can discuss German politics (I mean a real discussion). What you say is also true I think when Austrians or Germans would stand up to their Gvt. if another Nazi-Party tries to take power it would be very patriotic. They love their countries enough to not let something like that happen again. Also I am not "that kind of person" who sees words like "nationalist" or "patriot" as statically but instead know that meaning is also part of the construction of a common reality. I enjoy respectful conversations/discussions like these - you seem to be intelligent and open-minded.