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> It's also worth remembering that he disseminated information on the behalf of the Russian state in an effort to get Trump elected. Not sure why you believe t

> It's also worth remembering that he disseminated information on the behalf of the Russian state in an effort to get Trump elected. Not sure why you believe that any more than you would believe the claims that Saddam had WMDs.

bduerst 7y ago
Guccifer 2.0 was a Russian intelligence hacker group that hacked the Democratic National Committee emails and delivered to Assange and Wikileaks to publicly release. [1] Wikileaks then dropped the emails in parcels - behavior they had never done before - in order to manipulate news headlines leading up to the 2016 federal elections. [2] This is confirmed by numerous, independent security firms, such as CrowdStrike, Fidelis Cybersecurity, Fireeye's Mandiant, SecureWorks, ThreatConnect, and others - making it not the same as the WMDs in Iraq smokescreen. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0 [2] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wikileaks-hillary-clinton/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wikileaks-hillary-clint...
- cat199 7y ago
  None of this definitively means it was done 'on behalf of', nor 'for the benefit of'. 'to the benefit of', perhaps, but an unwitting puppet is not necessarily an accomplice.
  - gamblor956 7y ago
    Per the Mueller Report, Assange attempted to coordinate the leaks with the Trump campaign.
    - scarejunba 7y ago
      Well, he picked the wrong allies.
- p1esk 7y ago
  I am bit confused, did the hackers falsify/forge anything? Or did they reveal some accurate information about the candidate(s)? If the latter, then what's the problem? Didn't they make American voters more informed? Would this be somehow different (e.g. less evil) had the same thing been done by American journalists?
  - bduerst 7y ago
    GP claimed that Wikileaks and Russian promotion of the Trump campaign was on par with the WMD intelligent in Iraq - i.e. the Russian involvement is just a "smokescreen" - which it is not.
- epicureanideal 7y ago
  It’s not true that WikiLeaks never slowly released information before. That was entirely consistent with how they had been doing things.
  - bduerst 7y ago
    No, it wasn't. Read the cited article if you disagree. Assange and wikileaks also reached out to the Trump campaign to coordinate the email leaks.
ABeeSea 7y ago
Assange working with Russians is a conclusion reached by all US intelligence agencies. Saddam having WMDs was only the conclusion of a stovepiped intelligence team that reported directly to Dick Cheney and created by him (the office of special plans). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stovepiping https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stovepiping
- cat199 7y ago
  'with' and 'for' are two quite different words. which was it?
  - ABeeSea 7y ago
    Both. He had a show on state-sponsored Russian Television.

bduerst 7y ago

Guccifer 2.0 was a Russian intelligence hacker group that hacked the Democratic National Committee emails and delivered to Assange and Wikileaks to publicly release. [1] Wikileaks then dropped the emails in parcels - behavior they had never done before - in order to manipulate news headlines leading up to the 2016 federal elections. [2] This is confirmed by numerous, independent security firms, such as CrowdStrike, Fidelis Cybersecurity, Fireeye's Mandiant, SecureWorks, ThreatConnect, and others - making it not the same as the WMDs in Iraq smokescreen. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0 [2] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wikileaks-hillary-clinton/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wikileaks-hillary-clint...

cat199 7y ago
None of this definitively means it was done 'on behalf of', nor 'for the benefit of'. 'to the benefit of', perhaps, but an unwitting puppet is not necessarily an accomplice.
- gamblor956 7y ago
  Per the Mueller Report, Assange attempted to coordinate the leaks with the Trump campaign.
  - scarejunba 7y ago
    Well, he picked the wrong allies.
p1esk 7y ago
I am bit confused, did the hackers falsify/forge anything? Or did they reveal some accurate information about the candidate(s)? If the latter, then what's the problem? Didn't they make American voters more informed? Would this be somehow different (e.g. less evil) had the same thing been done by American journalists?
- bduerst 7y ago
  GP claimed that Wikileaks and Russian promotion of the Trump campaign was on par with the WMD intelligent in Iraq - i.e. the Russian involvement is just a "smokescreen" - which it is not.
epicureanideal 7y ago
It’s not true that WikiLeaks never slowly released information before. That was entirely consistent with how they had been doing things.
- bduerst 7y ago
  No, it wasn't. Read the cited article if you disagree. Assange and wikileaks also reached out to the Trump campaign to coordinate the email leaks.

ABeeSea 7y ago

Assange working with Russians is a conclusion reached by all US intelligence agencies. Saddam having WMDs was only the conclusion of a stovepiped intelligence team that reported directly to Dick Cheney and created by him (the office of special plans). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stovepiping https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stovepiping

cat199 7y ago
'with' and 'for' are two quite different words. which was it?
- ABeeSea 7y ago
  Both. He had a show on state-sponsored Russian Television.