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That's not true. Trust is a major issue and is directly responsible for anti vaxxer movement. Major corporations and media outlet have made bending the truth (P

by mola 7y ago

That's not true. Trust is a major issue and is directly responsible for anti vaxxer movement. Major corporations and media outlet have made bending the truth (PR spins etc) a legitimate common place practice. Any talking head you see on television /other media is not genuinely trying to convince you. They are all hired hands which will say whatever it takes to produce the results their employers demand. The amount of half truths exaggerations and out right lies we encounter daily is staggering. We thought critical thinking might be the answer, but the overwhelming quantities of adversarial content makes a critical thinker into a conspiracy theorist. If alot of experts lie and tell half truths to benefit themselves why should you believe any expert?

addicted 7y ago
This is nonsense. The anti vaxxers place far more trust on someone who is known to have falsified data, and committed egregious malpractice. The anti vaxxers lack of trust in the media has almost nothing to do with what the media may or may not have done to lose trust. The actual difference is that one side does not have a good explanation for what causes autism, and as a result admits that they don’t have the answers yet, while the other does not have a good explanation as well, but makes up stuff and boasts that they actually do know the answer. For vulnerable parents who are just looking for some answer, the second side is extremely attractive. Everything else about lack of trust, and corporate influence, etc is all secondary, and are after the fact justifications.
- geggam 7y ago
  You dont need that falsified data to come to the conclusion vaccinations in the US are a problem. Remove it from the picture. Compare the US vaccination schedule to any other develop country. Compare our infant mortality rate. Aside from the differences in the vaccination schedules what is the US doing different from other developed nations. Keeping in mind infants do little but eat food, sleep and see a doctor. So it's food or healthcare causing the difference. With WIC and the fact poor people qualify for free medical care it's arguable economics dont play much into this. so explain why the US is so bad at this ?
  - Fomite 7y ago
    The NHS vaccine schedule is just as large as the CDC's: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/741543/Complete_immunisation_schedule_sept2018.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... We're worse at prenatal care. And post-natal care. And there's some serious income inequality problems "poor people qualify for free medical care" doesn't actually obviate things as much as you think it does.
  - criley2 7y ago
    >You dont need that falsified data to come to the conclusion vaccinations in the US are a problem. Yes you do. Vaccines are not a problem, they are a solution to a problem which has plagued every generation of humanity for all of history up until the past 3 generations. Stop promoting child maiming and child murder. Vaccines have provably saved billions of lives. And the fact that you would hide American racism and the shocking infant mortality in black communities under the anti-vax label? It's one of the most dishonest things I've ever read. America has an infant mortality problem because we have a racism problem. FULL STOP END OF DISCUSSION. There is no infant mortality problem in white or Asian communities. That's just a fact. It has literally nothing to do with vaccines.
    - geggam 7y ago
      Race is the new hitler. What is the Godwin law for racism in a thread ?
    - dang 7y ago
      Please don't post flamewar comments to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - DanBC 7y ago
    > Compare our infant mortality rate. Part of the problem is that the US uses a weird definition for infant mortality that makes it hard to compare across countries. But even after accounting for that the US is still worse than other countries, and we don't know why. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4856058/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4856058/

by mola 7y ago

addicted 7y ago

This is nonsense. The anti vaxxers place far more trust on someone who is known to have falsified data, and committed egregious malpractice. The anti vaxxers lack of trust in the media has almost nothing to do with what the media may or may not have done to lose trust. The actual difference is that one side does not have a good explanation for what causes autism, and as a result admits that they don’t have the answers yet, while the other does not have a good explanation as well, but makes up stuff and boasts that they actually do know the answer. For vulnerable parents who are just looking for some answer, the second side is extremely attractive. Everything else about lack of trust, and corporate influence, etc is all secondary, and are after the fact justifications.

geggam 7y ago
You dont need that falsified data to come to the conclusion vaccinations in the US are a problem. Remove it from the picture. Compare the US vaccination schedule to any other develop country. Compare our infant mortality rate. Aside from the differences in the vaccination schedules what is the US doing different from other developed nations. Keeping in mind infants do little but eat food, sleep and see a doctor. So it's food or healthcare causing the difference. With WIC and the fact poor people qualify for free medical care it's arguable economics dont play much into this. so explain why the US is so bad at this ?
- Fomite 7y ago
  The NHS vaccine schedule is just as large as the CDC's: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/741543/Complete_immunisation_schedule_sept2018.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... We're worse at prenatal care. And post-natal care. And there's some serious income inequality problems "poor people qualify for free medical care" doesn't actually obviate things as much as you think it does.
- criley2 7y ago
  >You dont need that falsified data to come to the conclusion vaccinations in the US are a problem. Yes you do. Vaccines are not a problem, they are a solution to a problem which has plagued every generation of humanity for all of history up until the past 3 generations. Stop promoting child maiming and child murder. Vaccines have provably saved billions of lives. And the fact that you would hide American racism and the shocking infant mortality in black communities under the anti-vax label? It's one of the most dishonest things I've ever read. America has an infant mortality problem because we have a racism problem. FULL STOP END OF DISCUSSION. There is no infant mortality problem in white or Asian communities. That's just a fact. It has literally nothing to do with vaccines.
  - geggam 7y ago
    Race is the new hitler. What is the Godwin law for racism in a thread ?
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't post flamewar comments to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- DanBC 7y ago
  > Compare our infant mortality rate. Part of the problem is that the US uses a weird definition for infant mortality that makes it hard to compare across countries. But even after accounting for that the US is still worse than other countries, and we don't know why. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4856058/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4856058/