6 ms·

Yes, Americans are #1 in the world for police violence. And congratulations to us! edit: I earlier said that this was the first time HK used teargas/rubber bul

by huac 7y ago

Yes, Americans are #1 in the world for police violence. And congratulations to us! edit: I earlier said that this was the first time HK used teargas/rubber bullets, which is inaccurate. the important thing is that this is still violence, just because the US beats everyone in terms of sheer scale/frequency/intensity of police violence doesn't mean that this isn't police violence.

my_username_is_ 7y ago
Tear gas was definitely used in '14, see this image from the Umbrella Movement protests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Hong_Kong_protests#/media/File:2014_Hong_Kong_Umbrella_Revolution_as_Police_Attacked_Peaceful_Demonstrators_with_Tear_Gas_%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E6%B8%A3%E6%89%93%E9%9D%A9%E5%91%BD%E4%B9%8B%E5%92%8C%E5%B9%B3%E6%8A%97%E8%AD%B0%E7%9A%84%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E4%BB%A5%E9%9B%A8%E5%82%98%E5%B0%8D%E6%8A%97%E7%99%BC%E7%A4%BE%E5%82%AC%E6%B7%9A%E5%BD%88%E7%9A%84%E6%B8%AF%E8%AD%A6.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Hong_Kong_protests#/media... Multiple sources also mention rubber bullets being used in '14 as well: https://www.google.com/search?q=umbrella+revolution+rubber+bullets&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS745US745&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F1%2F2019&tbm= https://www.google.com/search?q=umbrella+revolution+rubber+b...
- huac 7y ago
  ah, you're right, I misread the SCMP coverage yesterday, guess when they said "tear gas was used for the first time" that it was the first time ever, and not just within the protests this time. the NYT article also has: "The use of rubber bullets represented a turning point in the police response and was the first time the government acknowledged using the nonlethal rounds in Hong Kong in decades. The police response following the protesters’ push toward the Legislative Council was noticeably more aggressive as peaceful protests became more pitched throughout the day." So maybe the use of force hasn't changed vs 2014, but the government's brazenness has.
- ngcc_hk 7y ago
  Not then. Leung dare not. Do not know why lan dare.
wavefunction 7y ago
The UK proved that rubber bullets can kill people[0]. The French first deployed tear gas during WWI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet#Riot_control_use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet#Riot_control_use
Mikeb85 7y ago
Hundreds of thousands protesting, hundreds who attack police and try to storm a government building... Seems like a pretty measured response. Try that in any other country.

by huac 7y ago

my_username_is_ 7y ago

Tear gas was definitely used in '14, see this image from the Umbrella Movement protests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Hong_Kong_protests#/media/File:2014_Hong_Kong_Umbrella_Revolution_as_Police_Attacked_Peaceful_Demonstrators_with_Tear_Gas_%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E6%B8%A3%E6%89%93%E9%9D%A9%E5%91%BD%E4%B9%8B%E5%92%8C%E5%B9%B3%E6%8A%97%E8%AD%B0%E7%9A%84%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E4%BB%A5%E9%9B%A8%E5%82%98%E5%B0%8D%E6%8A%97%E7%99%BC%E7%A4%BE%E5%82%AC%E6%B7%9A%E5%BD%88%E7%9A%84%E6%B8%AF%E8%AD%A6.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Hong_Kong_protests#/media... Multiple sources also mention rubber bullets being used in '14 as well: https://www.google.com/search?q=umbrella+revolution+rubber+bullets&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS745US745&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F1%2F2019&tbm= https://www.google.com/search?q=umbrella+revolution+rubber+b...

huac 7y ago
ah, you're right, I misread the SCMP coverage yesterday, guess when they said "tear gas was used for the first time" that it was the first time ever, and not just within the protests this time. the NYT article also has: "The use of rubber bullets represented a turning point in the police response and was the first time the government acknowledged using the nonlethal rounds in Hong Kong in decades. The police response following the protesters’ push toward the Legislative Council was noticeably more aggressive as peaceful protests became more pitched throughout the day." So maybe the use of force hasn't changed vs 2014, but the government's brazenness has.
ngcc_hk 7y ago
Not then. Leung dare not. Do not know why lan dare.

wavefunction 7y ago

The UK proved that rubber bullets can kill people[0]. The French first deployed tear gas during WWI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet#Riot_control_use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet#Riot_control_use

Mikeb85 7y ago

Hundreds of thousands protesting, hundreds who attack police and try to storm a government building... Seems like a pretty measured response. Try that in any other country.