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Yep, nobody buy F-35 planes because it's a superior airplane (it's not) countries buy it in order to have better diplomatic relationships with the USA. It's pr

by luch 7y ago

Yep, nobody buy F-35 planes because it's a superior airplane (it's not) countries buy it in order to have better diplomatic relationships with the USA. It's pretty telling to see Germany refusing to buy F-35 or Hungary buying ones in order to piss off Sweden.

martin_bech 7y ago
Thats also the situation here in Denmark.. everyone knows its the most expensive, and not the best.. yet we bought it. We havent even gotten the planes yet, but we have also been asked to buy spare parts in advance, as they might not be able to provide them later.. wtf?. Also we have been asked to let a number of the planes remain in the US, for “training”.. this is the shittiest of shitty deals..
- DuskStar 7y ago
  I mean, I can understand the training request - the US has a lot more "land we don't care about people flying over at mach 1.2" than Denmark does (which means you'd probably want to train there anyways) and if that's where there's already training infrastructure setup it would make sense not to duplicate it. And if you're going to be training pilots... Shouldn't you do it on the exact config of F-35 that Denmark's buying? Which means a Danish F-35, which means leaving it in the US.
  - martin_bech 7y ago
    Denmark is so small, that most regular fighterpilot training, is already done in the US.. but having to pay billions for jets, that are then permanently in the US, is pretty bad. The high price, means we will have way fever than before.
    - greedo 7y ago
      You're leaving those training planes in the US by choice. If you wanted to do your own training in Denmark, go for it.
      - martin_bech 7y ago
        What a useless an arrogant response. Have a nice day
        greedo 7y ago
        How is that useless or arrogant? Germany used to train with Phantoms and then Tornadoes in Arizona because they didn't want to fly combat training in their own airspace. Same with Italy, and many other countries. It's a wise decision since the Southwest of the US has wide open spaces where they can do elaborate training like Red Flag etc. What would be useless would be to pay a lot of money for fighters, then just have them sit on the tarmac collecting dust (like Germany has with Eurofighter). Having a military costs money. Living up to treaty obligations like NATO costs money. Trying to have a military on the cheap just ends up with dead troops/pilots/sailors.
    - gingabriska 7y ago
      I wonder why Denmark doesn't buy land for training from India and offer their expertise to India in combating Chinese threat. India also has lots of land.
      - rohit2412 7y ago
        Most of India's land is pretty densely populated. I'm not sure if that's a deterrent
      - rospaya 7y ago
        The whole argument is BS, smaller countries than Denmark train in their own airspace, and Denmark has enough of sea and land to do regular training.
  - rando444 7y ago
    You have a warped view of world politics if you think countries are incapable of making their own decisions and need to be told what is best for them. That aside, it's more or less common knowledge these days that the planes have not been delivered for all these years due to the production problems they are still having. Esquire just did a piece just month mentioning that the plane starts to fall apart if it's flown too fast and the computer fails to detect if the plane is flying to fast about half the time. This aircraft program still has a ways to go.
    - DuskStar 7y ago
      > You have a warped view of world politics if you think countries are incapable of making their own decisions and need to be told what is best for them. We don't know what the "training in the US" requirement looks like, though. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just "you need to use Danish planes to train" + "we only have training facilities in the US, and if you want to bring your own that'll cost money". It has nothing to do with "Denmark can't make its own decisions", because as far as I'm aware that hasn't been alleged anywhere.
  - VintageCool 7y ago
    What? Denmark has all of Greenland!
greedo 7y ago
Can you name a fighter being sold today that's superior to an F-35A? And quantify how you determine that it's superior?
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- VladimirIvanov 7y ago
  The F-22 would win in 1vs1 combat
  - throwaway2048 7y ago
    The F-22 is not sold to other nations, or even being manufactured at this point.

by luch 7y ago

martin_bech 7y ago

Thats also the situation here in Denmark.. everyone knows its the most expensive, and not the best.. yet we bought it. We havent even gotten the planes yet, but we have also been asked to buy spare parts in advance, as they might not be able to provide them later.. wtf?. Also we have been asked to let a number of the planes remain in the US, for “training”.. this is the shittiest of shitty deals..

DuskStar 7y ago
I mean, I can understand the training request - the US has a lot more "land we don't care about people flying over at mach 1.2" than Denmark does (which means you'd probably want to train there anyways) and if that's where there's already training infrastructure setup it would make sense not to duplicate it. And if you're going to be training pilots... Shouldn't you do it on the exact config of F-35 that Denmark's buying? Which means a Danish F-35, which means leaving it in the US.
- martin_bech 7y ago
  Denmark is so small, that most regular fighterpilot training, is already done in the US.. but having to pay billions for jets, that are then permanently in the US, is pretty bad. The high price, means we will have way fever than before.
  - greedo 7y ago
    You're leaving those training planes in the US by choice. If you wanted to do your own training in Denmark, go for it.
    - martin_bech 7y ago
      What a useless an arrogant response. Have a nice day
      - greedo 7y ago
        How is that useless or arrogant? Germany used to train with Phantoms and then Tornadoes in Arizona because they didn't want to fly combat training in their own airspace. Same with Italy, and many other countries. It's a wise decision since the Southwest of the US has wide open spaces where they can do elaborate training like Red Flag etc. What would be useless would be to pay a lot of money for fighters, then just have them sit on the tarmac collecting dust (like Germany has with Eurofighter). Having a military costs money. Living up to treaty obligations like NATO costs money. Trying to have a military on the cheap just ends up with dead troops/pilots/sailors.
  - gingabriska 7y ago
    I wonder why Denmark doesn't buy land for training from India and offer their expertise to India in combating Chinese threat. India also has lots of land.
    - rohit2412 7y ago
      Most of India's land is pretty densely populated. I'm not sure if that's a deterrent
    - rospaya 7y ago
      The whole argument is BS, smaller countries than Denmark train in their own airspace, and Denmark has enough of sea and land to do regular training.
- rando444 7y ago
  You have a warped view of world politics if you think countries are incapable of making their own decisions and need to be told what is best for them. That aside, it's more or less common knowledge these days that the planes have not been delivered for all these years due to the production problems they are still having. Esquire just did a piece just month mentioning that the plane starts to fall apart if it's flown too fast and the computer fails to detect if the plane is flying to fast about half the time. This aircraft program still has a ways to go.
  - DuskStar 7y ago
    > You have a warped view of world politics if you think countries are incapable of making their own decisions and need to be told what is best for them. We don't know what the "training in the US" requirement looks like, though. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just "you need to use Danish planes to train" + "we only have training facilities in the US, and if you want to bring your own that'll cost money". It has nothing to do with "Denmark can't make its own decisions", because as far as I'm aware that hasn't been alleged anywhere.
- VintageCool 7y ago
  What? Denmark has all of Greenland!

greedo 7y ago

Can you name a fighter being sold today that's superior to an F-35A? And quantify how you determine that it's superior?

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VladimirIvanov 7y ago
The F-22 would win in 1vs1 combat
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  The F-22 is not sold to other nations, or even being manufactured at this point.