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This Hong Kong situation is based on abdication of their human rights to a government guilty of the most egregious democide in history. The USA has a political

This Hong Kong situation is based on abdication of their human rights to a government guilty of the most egregious democide in history. The USA has a politically incorrect orange man in the White House who gets offended easily. Not sure how you draw parallels here but happy to understand better.

StavrosK 7y ago
I disagree with the GP's equating the two, but there are events like outright murders of innocent people by police officers that never get protested in the US, except maybe by people in the black communities. Those strike me like something that should be protested but isn't. In comparison, when years ago a police officer shot and killed a 16 year old for no reason in my country, there were outright riots and the officer is serving a life sentence. Then again, I guess there are many things we don't protest.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > Those strike me like something that should be protested but isn't We have elections. That gives our government a mandate to act and incentive to measure public opinion. There is a lot of progress needed on police reform, but don’t throw out the bounds we’ve made in the last decade alone. Protest is prudent once democratic means have been exhausted, or to draw attention to an issue. Police violence already has the public’s attention. There is an ongoing debate around the proper solution, with trials around decriminalisation, special prosecutors, body cameras, et cetera going into play around the country. We haven’t frequently seen 1/7th of a city rise up in protest because we have other ways of effecting change. Hong Kong did too. But Beijing doesn’t.
  - StavrosK 7y ago
    Sure, but don't underestimate how clear a signal protests send.
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pm90 7y ago
nice downplay of the crimes of the Orange man. Do you think that authoritarian regimes seize power outright? Even Hitler had to wait for the burning of the Reichstag, the symbolic destruction of the legislative body, to outright seize power. Before that it was a series of breaking norms, passing laws systematically criminalizing certain groups, propaganda against them etc. How is that different from the orange mans hate of immigrants that all his supporters seem to share?
- Macross8299 7y ago
  I don't think "all Trump supporters hate immigrants" is a fair characterization, given that there are quite a few immigrants who are Trump supporters themselves. also, Godwin's law?

StavrosK 7y ago

I disagree with the GP's equating the two, but there are events like outright murders of innocent people by police officers that never get protested in the US, except maybe by people in the black communities. Those strike me like something that should be protested but isn't. In comparison, when years ago a police officer shot and killed a 16 year old for no reason in my country, there were outright riots and the officer is serving a life sentence. Then again, I guess there are many things we don't protest.

JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> Those strike me like something that should be protested but isn't We have elections. That gives our government a mandate to act and incentive to measure public opinion. There is a lot of progress needed on police reform, but don’t throw out the bounds we’ve made in the last decade alone. Protest is prudent once democratic means have been exhausted, or to draw attention to an issue. Police violence already has the public’s attention. There is an ongoing debate around the proper solution, with trials around decriminalisation, special prosecutors, body cameras, et cetera going into play around the country. We haven’t frequently seen 1/7th of a city rise up in protest because we have other ways of effecting change. Hong Kong did too. But Beijing doesn’t.
- StavrosK 7y ago
  Sure, but don't underestimate how clear a signal protests send.
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pm90 7y ago

nice downplay of the crimes of the Orange man. Do you think that authoritarian regimes seize power outright? Even Hitler had to wait for the burning of the Reichstag, the symbolic destruction of the legislative body, to outright seize power. Before that it was a series of breaking norms, passing laws systematically criminalizing certain groups, propaganda against them etc. How is that different from the orange mans hate of immigrants that all his supporters seem to share?

Macross8299 7y ago
I don't think "all Trump supporters hate immigrants" is a fair characterization, given that there are quite a few immigrants who are Trump supporters themselves. also, Godwin's law?