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From the chromium forum: "Intent to Implement: Toast UI element" https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/m/#!msg/blink-dev/Gl7FIKM5IFw/tA70X9ZIBQAJ htt

by delta1 7y ago

From the chromium forum: "Intent to Implement: Toast UI element" https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/m/#!msg/blink-dev/Gl7FIKM5IFw/tA70X9ZIBQAJ https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/m/#!msg/blink...

zaarn 7y ago
>Firefox: No public signals >Edge: No public signals >Safari: No public signals >Web developers: Positive (previously expressed privately; we've encouraged them to make their interest public on the WICG thread) So basically, nobody at Google talked to anyone about this, asked only google engineers and then pushed those mentioned google engineers to make postive comments in the standards thread? And none of the other browser know shit about it? What the fuck?
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  The new reality, what people were talking about for a while now. Google owns the web now, they do whatever they want with it - and what they want is primarily improving their advertising revenue.
  - zaarn 7y ago
    Every time I mention that Chrome is the new IE, people on HN keep saying that it is not true because IE was bad and Chrome is good. Have these people and the google developers behind Chrome considerd that maybe they are the baddies?
    - yitosda 7y ago
      It was frequently said that /at the time of release/ ie6 was better and more standards compliant than the other web browsers. Then it was left to rot for years. Perhaps notably, it was actually faster and had lower memory usage than Firefox for a while (Firefox had many leaks). The issues were security, standards and NO TABS! ... Honestly if MS hadn't been so unbelievably deaf to users and web developers, Firefox and Chrome may have never succeeded. If Google doesn't completely screw up, Chrome won't go the way of IE. Maybe messing with adblockers qualifies?
- spankalee 7y ago
  This is the start of the standards process. Intent to implement does not mean intent to ship, only that an engineer want to start writing some code. It's the public signal that the team is interested enough in this idea to prototype into the Chromium codebase, but it will be behind a flag. The standardization process will undoubtedly change the shape of the thing altogether, or it could not even make it into the HTML spec.
- interlocutor 7y ago
  Public signal from Firefox: https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1138980859728531456 https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1138980859728531456
- bubblicious 7y ago
  One engineer shared the idea yesterday [1] of introducing a new element in Chrome behind an experiment flag to play with and you are mortified that Mozilla, Microsoft and Apple haven't responded with an official position within 24h? [1] https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/m/#!msg/blink-dev/Gl7FIKM5IFw/tA70X9ZIBQAJ https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/m/#!msg/blink...

by delta1 7y ago

zaarn 7y ago

>Firefox: No public signals >Edge: No public signals >Safari: No public signals >Web developers: Positive (previously expressed privately; we've encouraged them to make their interest public on the WICG thread) So basically, nobody at Google talked to anyone about this, asked only google engineers and then pushed those mentioned google engineers to make postive comments in the standards thread? And none of the other browser know shit about it? What the fuck?

TeMPOraL 7y ago
The new reality, what people were talking about for a while now. Google owns the web now, they do whatever they want with it - and what they want is primarily improving their advertising revenue.
- zaarn 7y ago
  Every time I mention that Chrome is the new IE, people on HN keep saying that it is not true because IE was bad and Chrome is good. Have these people and the google developers behind Chrome considerd that maybe they are the baddies?
  - yitosda 7y ago
    It was frequently said that /at the time of release/ ie6 was better and more standards compliant than the other web browsers. Then it was left to rot for years. Perhaps notably, it was actually faster and had lower memory usage than Firefox for a while (Firefox had many leaks). The issues were security, standards and NO TABS! ... Honestly if MS hadn't been so unbelievably deaf to users and web developers, Firefox and Chrome may have never succeeded. If Google doesn't completely screw up, Chrome won't go the way of IE. Maybe messing with adblockers qualifies?
spankalee 7y ago
This is the start of the standards process. Intent to implement does not mean intent to ship, only that an engineer want to start writing some code. It's the public signal that the team is interested enough in this idea to prototype into the Chromium codebase, but it will be behind a flag. The standardization process will undoubtedly change the shape of the thing altogether, or it could not even make it into the HTML spec.
interlocutor 7y ago
Public signal from Firefox: https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1138980859728531456 https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1138980859728531456
bubblicious 7y ago
One engineer shared the idea yesterday [1] of introducing a new element in Chrome behind an experiment flag to play with and you are mortified that Mozilla, Microsoft and Apple haven't responded with an official position within 24h? [1] https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/m/#!msg/blink-dev/Gl7FIKM5IFw/tA70X9ZIBQAJ https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/m/#!msg/blink...