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Humans are not carnivores, and lions don't have grocery stores. If ducks stopped raping other ducks, they'd go extinct too. Not really sure if that's an argume

Humans are not carnivores, and lions don't have grocery stores. If ducks stopped raping other ducks, they'd go extinct too. Not really sure if that's an argument in favor of human rapists, though.

dao- 7y ago
Lions have no concept of morality either. We should care about unnecessary suffering because we can.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >We should care about unnecessary suffering because we can. "We should because we can"? There are many things that we "can" do that we better not do. There's no automatic logical deduction from "we can" to "so we should".
  - dao- 7y ago
    Avoiding unnecessary suffering is sometimes used as the basis for whole ethics systems. It's inherently good and doesn't need to be deduced from anything.
    - coldtea 7y ago
      Well, who calls what's "unnecessary"? Killing animals for their meat is not like torturing animals for no reason (which indeed would be unnecessary). And how steep would the slope be? E.g. what about killing rodents and house pests?
coldtea 7y ago
>Humans are not carnivores Yes, we're omnivores. Or it's complicated [1]. > and lions don't have grocery stores. Sucks to be them. But we have been eating meat for millennia, naturally, before we ever concerned ourselves about reading/writing and math, so there's that. >If ducks stopped raping other ducks, they'd go extinct too. Not really sure if that's an argument in favor of human rapists, though. That would have mattered only if the same conditions applied (e.g. extinction threat otherwise), which they don't. So it's looks more like a way to force the argument against eating meat based on a strong association with something obviously negative ("think of the children" style argument). [1] https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Are_humans_omnivores_or_herbivores%3F https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Are_humans_omnivores_or_herb...
- paulluuk 7y ago
  > That would have mattered only if the same conditions applied (e.g. extinction threat otherwise) Exactly the point I'm making. Humans don't face extinction if we stop eating animal products, so comparing us to lions is not a valid argument for why we should eat meat.

Humans are not carnivores, and lions don't have grocery stores. If ducks stopped raping other ducks, they'd go extinct too. Not really sure if that's an argument in favor of human rapists, though.

dao- 7y ago

Lions have no concept of morality either. We should care about unnecessary suffering because we can.

coldtea 7y ago
>We should care about unnecessary suffering because we can. "We should because we can"? There are many things that we "can" do that we better not do. There's no automatic logical deduction from "we can" to "so we should".
- dao- 7y ago
  Avoiding unnecessary suffering is sometimes used as the basis for whole ethics systems. It's inherently good and doesn't need to be deduced from anything.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    Well, who calls what's "unnecessary"? Killing animals for their meat is not like torturing animals for no reason (which indeed would be unnecessary). And how steep would the slope be? E.g. what about killing rodents and house pests?

coldtea 7y ago

>Humans are not carnivores Yes, we're omnivores. Or it's complicated [1]. > and lions don't have grocery stores. Sucks to be them. But we have been eating meat for millennia, naturally, before we ever concerned ourselves about reading/writing and math, so there's that. >If ducks stopped raping other ducks, they'd go extinct too. Not really sure if that's an argument in favor of human rapists, though. That would have mattered only if the same conditions applied (e.g. extinction threat otherwise), which they don't. So it's looks more like a way to force the argument against eating meat based on a strong association with something obviously negative ("think of the children" style argument). [1] https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Are_humans_omnivores_or_herbivores%3F https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Are_humans_omnivores_or_herb...

paulluuk 7y ago
> That would have mattered only if the same conditions applied (e.g. extinction threat otherwise) Exactly the point I'm making. Humans don't face extinction if we stop eating animal products, so comparing us to lions is not a valid argument for why we should eat meat.