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Regarding processed meat, what part of the processing makes the meat unhealthy? Or is it something related to how processed meat is often consumed vs unprocesse

Regarding processed meat, what part of the processing makes the meat unhealthy? Or is it something related to how processed meat is often consumed vs unprocessed meat?

Down_n_Out 7y ago
Not to speak about the amount of antibiotics in meat probably [1][2][3] [1]https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/opinion/antibiotics-and-the-meat-we-eat.html https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/opinion/antibiotics-and-t... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/05/most-meat-producers-use-antibiotics-now-consumers-can-see-how-much/?utm_term=.f7a8c954a0d9 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/05/most-... [3] https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/06/antibiotics-are-widely-used-by-u-s-meat-industry/index.htm https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/06/antibiotics-are-...
- matteuan 7y ago
  The problem are not the antibiotics in meat but bacteria resistant to them because of their use/abuse.
adrianN 7y ago
Curing with nitrites is not particularly healthy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curing_(food_preservation)#Nitrates_and_nitrites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curing_(food_preservation)#Nit... Smoking is probably not good either.
GordonS 7y ago
From the WHO stuff that was released a few years ago, I understood that "nasty processing" really only meant where nitrites were used (to preserve meat)?
- sammorrowdrums 7y ago
  And as someone who has butchered a pig, made sausages and bacon I can assure you that for a lot of it the nitrates are really the only difference between those and other forms of meat. I guess the curing time could also be relevant but I don't believe there is anything to suggest that curing time is an issue. Knowing this I was wondering for ages "surely it can only be the nitrates" and that seemed to be the case. It is also possible to buy bacon safely cured without nitrates now too.
lm28469 7y ago
It's all the additional steps and products added. A lot of processed meat are juste a slime of bones, skin, organs, ligaments whatever was left on the carcass of the animal. On top of that it comes from low quality (cheap) animals in the first place which doesn't help. It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice, or eating raw veggies vs a broth. The original material is the same but it doesn't mean it holds the same benefits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9il0DVhT86E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9il0DVhT86E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NzUm7UEEIY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NzUm7UEEIY
- jsjolen 7y ago
  I don't believe that this matters. Why would it? Offal has great nutritional value. The inuit did perfectly well on an all-meat diet. The issue is more likely curing with nitrites and smoking. >It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice Another thing that doesn't matter. What exactly do you think magically happens when you put an orange into a blender and mix with a bit of water that would make it lose its nutritional value?
  - thinkingemote 7y ago
    Regarding fruit juice Vs fruit I remember hearing about the cell walls and sugar and how in making the juice it destroyed the cells releasing sugar or something.
  - ssijak 7y ago
    Inuit did not did well on an all meat died (btw, they also ate seaweed). Their life expectancy was much lower and they had higher instances of cardiac events. They did survive, that is true, and humans can survive on very different diets, but they did not trive.
  - gbear605 7y ago
    The issue with fruit juice is that they often remove the healthy but less tasty part, like the pulp of an orange or the skin of an apple
  - lm28469 7y ago

Regarding processed meat, what part of the processing makes the meat unhealthy? Or is it something related to how processed meat is often consumed vs unprocessed meat?

Down_n_Out 7y ago

Not to speak about the amount of antibiotics in meat probably [1][2][3] [1]https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/opinion/antibiotics-and-the-meat-we-eat.html https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/opinion/antibiotics-and-t... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/05/most-meat-producers-use-antibiotics-now-consumers-can-see-how-much/?utm_term=.f7a8c954a0d9 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/05/most-... [3] https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/06/antibiotics-are-widely-used-by-u-s-meat-industry/index.htm https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/06/antibiotics-are-...

matteuan 7y ago
The problem are not the antibiotics in meat but bacteria resistant to them because of their use/abuse.

adrianN 7y ago

Curing with nitrites is not particularly healthy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curing_(food_preservation)#Nitrates_and_nitrites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curing_(food_preservation)#Nit... Smoking is probably not good either.

GordonS 7y ago

From the WHO stuff that was released a few years ago, I understood that "nasty processing" really only meant where nitrites were used (to preserve meat)?

sammorrowdrums 7y ago
And as someone who has butchered a pig, made sausages and bacon I can assure you that for a lot of it the nitrates are really the only difference between those and other forms of meat. I guess the curing time could also be relevant but I don't believe there is anything to suggest that curing time is an issue. Knowing this I was wondering for ages "surely it can only be the nitrates" and that seemed to be the case. It is also possible to buy bacon safely cured without nitrates now too.

lm28469 7y ago

It's all the additional steps and products added. A lot of processed meat are juste a slime of bones, skin, organs, ligaments whatever was left on the carcass of the animal. On top of that it comes from low quality (cheap) animals in the first place which doesn't help. It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice, or eating raw veggies vs a broth. The original material is the same but it doesn't mean it holds the same benefits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9il0DVhT86E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9il0DVhT86E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NzUm7UEEIY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NzUm7UEEIY

jsjolen 7y ago
I don't believe that this matters. Why would it? Offal has great nutritional value. The inuit did perfectly well on an all-meat diet. The issue is more likely curing with nitrites and smoking. >It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice Another thing that doesn't matter. What exactly do you think magically happens when you put an orange into a blender and mix with a bit of water that would make it lose its nutritional value?
- thinkingemote 7y ago
  Regarding fruit juice Vs fruit I remember hearing about the cell walls and sugar and how in making the juice it destroyed the cells releasing sugar or something.
- ssijak 7y ago
  Inuit did not did well on an all meat died (btw, they also ate seaweed). Their life expectancy was much lower and they had higher instances of cardiac events. They did survive, that is true, and humans can survive on very different diets, but they did not trive.
- gbear605 7y ago
  The issue with fruit juice is that they often remove the healthy but less tasty part, like the pulp of an orange or the skin of an apple
- lm28469 7y ago