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Worth mentioning they are donating all the proceeds to Extinction Rebellion https://rebellion.earth/ https://rebellion.earth/

swarnie_ 7y ago
Worst part about this.... These degenerate hippies have been doing there best to screw up my commute for months.
- bad_good_guy 7y ago
  Most people would agree that peaceful demonstration to push the government to take (meaningful and immediate) action on climate change is worth a lot more than your commute.
  - FartyMcFarter 7y ago
    They were blocking commuters from taking public trains though...
    - adwww 7y ago
      They actually backed down from their original - misjudged - planned action of blocking the London Underground. I agree it seems a silly target, people doing the right thing, but I think their point was we cannot continue business as usual and just hope for the best.
      - FartyMcFarter 7y ago
        They blocked the London DLR trains instead: https://www.nme.com/news/music/plan-ongoing-escalation-inside-extinction-rebellion-protest-bringing-london-standstill-2477513 https://www.nme.com/news/music/plan-ongoing-escalation-insid...
    - mffnbs 7y ago
      Blocking commuters gets people talking.
  - AnaniasAnanas 7y ago
    Peaceful demonstration is pretty much always worth nothing though.
  - manigandham 7y ago
    Most people? Not so sure. The ones who would agree are probably in that protest. Also in this day and age, these things accomplish very little, and certainly not any government action other than spending taxpayer funds on increased peacekeeping. If a demonstration is actively blocking people from commuting then it's just harming innocent civilians and only hurting the cause. There are better ways to create change then causing chaos in the lives of people who can't do anything about it.
    - glenneroo 7y ago
      If you watch this video[0] where they interview people actually stuck in the traffic, the "victims" seem to be quite supportive of the movement. It's perhaps a biased view from The Guardian, I'm sure some people think like you do, but it's at least evidence of the opposite being also true to some extent. Regarding what it actually accomplishes, here[1] is an older rundown (from April) of their main requests and the results so far. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6xT62MZrRM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6xT62MZrRM [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/25/extinction-rebellion-assessing-the-impact https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/25/extincti...
    - necovek 7y ago
      It's unfortunate when people are blocked from going about their daily activities, but when you are attempting to raise awareness, I think it's a reasonable approach. Now, while there is no protest without any use of force (whether force of gravity by peacefully taking over an area, requiring force to be removed, or "force of language"), we generally categorise protest as peaceful if force is only used in defiance (you have to use the force to remove me). Peaceful protest does not equate to inconvenient to everybody (actually, they are usually designed to be inconvenient to get their message across). Civilians are not "innocent" in the sense that they have elected the government a protest is aimed at. How much sympathy protesters will get is a topic of discussion for themselves, and I am sure they carefully weigh that before staging a protest. If you can't distance your inconvenience from whether the protest has merits, you probably don't intrinsically trust the democratic process ("I know better what they need").
  - coldtea 7y ago
    Who asked them? Not to mention, people only agree when they're not the ones in the commute.
- truculent 7y ago
  it'll get worse when you're trying to commute through an extra 20ft of risen sea tbf
  - whenchamenia 7y ago
    Cittion? That sounds like fear mongering bs, and is my biggest problem with the group.
    - toby- 7y ago
      You want a citation that sea levels are rising? Or that this will have negative impacts on society? Here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3758961/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3758961/
      - coldtea 7y ago
        How about a citation for what was actually asked to be verified? I.e. about the "extra 20ft of risen sea"
        toby- 7y ago
        I interpreted "20ft" as humorous hyperbole here (a serious prediction wouldn't omit a date, naturally). The recent studies I've explored predict around 50-130cm by 2100. However, I have seen discussions of ~20ft by 2200 and 26ft by 2300 (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/sea-level-rise-may-not-become-catastrophic-until-after-2100/579478/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/sea-leve...), alongside more alarming figures (https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-environ-102017-025826 https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-environ-10...).
        coldtea 7y ago
        On the other hand, in the 70s all the studies predicted the "coming Ice Age", which not only didn't come out to be, but turned to the opposite (the global warming).
- avip 7y ago
  Damn hippies. But rest assured you have not yet seen "the worst part".
  - swarnie_ 7y ago
    Just waiting for them to fly a drone over an airport, then the army can show them "the worst part"
- whenchamenia 7y ago
  Their methods make he message unclear at best, and combative at worst. A good cause does not excuse acting like an idiot for attention.

swarnie_ 7y ago

Worst part about this.... These degenerate hippies have been doing there best to screw up my commute for months.

bad_good_guy 7y ago
Most people would agree that peaceful demonstration to push the government to take (meaningful and immediate) action on climate change is worth a lot more than your commute.
- FartyMcFarter 7y ago
  They were blocking commuters from taking public trains though...
  - adwww 7y ago
    They actually backed down from their original - misjudged - planned action of blocking the London Underground. I agree it seems a silly target, people doing the right thing, but I think their point was we cannot continue business as usual and just hope for the best.
    - FartyMcFarter 7y ago
      They blocked the London DLR trains instead: https://www.nme.com/news/music/plan-ongoing-escalation-inside-extinction-rebellion-protest-bringing-london-standstill-2477513 https://www.nme.com/news/music/plan-ongoing-escalation-insid...
  - mffnbs 7y ago
    Blocking commuters gets people talking.
- AnaniasAnanas 7y ago
  Peaceful demonstration is pretty much always worth nothing though.
- manigandham 7y ago
  Most people? Not so sure. The ones who would agree are probably in that protest. Also in this day and age, these things accomplish very little, and certainly not any government action other than spending taxpayer funds on increased peacekeeping. If a demonstration is actively blocking people from commuting then it's just harming innocent civilians and only hurting the cause. There are better ways to create change then causing chaos in the lives of people who can't do anything about it.
  - glenneroo 7y ago
    If you watch this video[0] where they interview people actually stuck in the traffic, the "victims" seem to be quite supportive of the movement. It's perhaps a biased view from The Guardian, I'm sure some people think like you do, but it's at least evidence of the opposite being also true to some extent. Regarding what it actually accomplishes, here[1] is an older rundown (from April) of their main requests and the results so far. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6xT62MZrRM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6xT62MZrRM [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/25/extinction-rebellion-assessing-the-impact https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/25/extincti...
  - necovek 7y ago
    It's unfortunate when people are blocked from going about their daily activities, but when you are attempting to raise awareness, I think it's a reasonable approach. Now, while there is no protest without any use of force (whether force of gravity by peacefully taking over an area, requiring force to be removed, or "force of language"), we generally categorise protest as peaceful if force is only used in defiance (you have to use the force to remove me). Peaceful protest does not equate to inconvenient to everybody (actually, they are usually designed to be inconvenient to get their message across). Civilians are not "innocent" in the sense that they have elected the government a protest is aimed at. How much sympathy protesters will get is a topic of discussion for themselves, and I am sure they carefully weigh that before staging a protest. If you can't distance your inconvenience from whether the protest has merits, you probably don't intrinsically trust the democratic process ("I know better what they need").
- coldtea 7y ago
  Who asked them? Not to mention, people only agree when they're not the ones in the commute.
truculent 7y ago
it'll get worse when you're trying to commute through an extra 20ft of risen sea tbf
- whenchamenia 7y ago
  Cittion? That sounds like fear mongering bs, and is my biggest problem with the group.
  - toby- 7y ago
    You want a citation that sea levels are rising? Or that this will have negative impacts on society? Here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3758961/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3758961/
    - coldtea 7y ago
      How about a citation for what was actually asked to be verified? I.e. about the "extra 20ft of risen sea"
      - toby- 7y ago
        I interpreted "20ft" as humorous hyperbole here (a serious prediction wouldn't omit a date, naturally). The recent studies I've explored predict around 50-130cm by 2100. However, I have seen discussions of ~20ft by 2200 and 26ft by 2300 (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/sea-level-rise-may-not-become-catastrophic-until-after-2100/579478/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/sea-leve...), alongside more alarming figures (https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-environ-102017-025826 https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-environ-10...).
        coldtea 7y ago
        On the other hand, in the 70s all the studies predicted the "coming Ice Age", which not only didn't come out to be, but turned to the opposite (the global warming).
avip 7y ago
Damn hippies. But rest assured you have not yet seen "the worst part".
- swarnie_ 7y ago
  Just waiting for them to fly a drone over an airport, then the army can show them "the worst part"
whenchamenia 7y ago
Their methods make he message unclear at best, and combative at worst. A good cause does not excuse acting like an idiot for attention.