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Clearly the solution is to leave the phone at home. It's not like you need it. (Crazy talk, right?) Or for added flair you can try dropping it off at the wro

Clearly the solution is to leave the phone at home. It's not like you need it. (Crazy talk, right?) Or for added flair you can try dropping it off at the wrong airport or leaving it in a cab or on a train or something, but that seems riskier.

azernik 7y ago
It's very useful for logistics when you're on your own - finding your way to the next safe place, calling a contact, etc. The real solution is to buy a burner phone, but I don't know how easy that is for a woman in the KSA.
- rdiddly 7y ago
  I didn't say it wasn't useful, I said it's not essential. And since burner phones can be traced too, I would lean toward simply planning ahead, memorizing things or writing them down, and showing up to things in person. That covers everything you need. That's how things were done for the first 40 years of my life, and it worked, and all of those things still work now. Then when you reach asylum you can think about the nice-to-haves.
codezero 7y ago
This also assumes they know that this technique is being used. Seeing this news here doesn't mean it's common knowledge or reported on in Saudi Arabia.
- rdiddly 7y ago
  Mmm no, it doesn't assume that. It'll still work even if you don't know you're being tracked.
  - codezero 7y ago
    If you don’t know the phone is tracking you, how do you decide to leave the phone at home?
    - rdiddly 7y ago
      Well you might forget it or decide you don't want it anymore for unrelated reasons, thereby inadvertently solving the problem of being tracked, that you didn't know you had! I've been taking you literally, just for giggles, but I actually get what you're talking about. But I only said the solution to being tracked is to separate from the phone. You're saying that's not a good solution to the problem because it doesn't also solve the (I would say separate) problem of making people aware of itself. But most solutions are like that. If you don't know about light bulbs, you can't decide to use them, therefore light bulbs are a bad solution to darkness? No, they solve darkness just fine; they just don't solve "awareness of light bulbs" very well.
      - codezero 7y ago
        Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying - our wires got crossed between literal and practical. I wonder how often this happens to me when the other party isn’t aware or willing to call that out :)

azernik 7y ago

It's very useful for logistics when you're on your own - finding your way to the next safe place, calling a contact, etc. The real solution is to buy a burner phone, but I don't know how easy that is for a woman in the KSA.

rdiddly 7y ago
I didn't say it wasn't useful, I said it's not essential. And since burner phones can be traced too, I would lean toward simply planning ahead, memorizing things or writing them down, and showing up to things in person. That covers everything you need. That's how things were done for the first 40 years of my life, and it worked, and all of those things still work now. Then when you reach asylum you can think about the nice-to-haves.

codezero 7y ago

This also assumes they know that this technique is being used. Seeing this news here doesn't mean it's common knowledge or reported on in Saudi Arabia.

rdiddly 7y ago
Mmm no, it doesn't assume that. It'll still work even if you don't know you're being tracked.
- codezero 7y ago
  If you don’t know the phone is tracking you, how do you decide to leave the phone at home?
  - rdiddly 7y ago
    Well you might forget it or decide you don't want it anymore for unrelated reasons, thereby inadvertently solving the problem of being tracked, that you didn't know you had! I've been taking you literally, just for giggles, but I actually get what you're talking about. But I only said the solution to being tracked is to separate from the phone. You're saying that's not a good solution to the problem because it doesn't also solve the (I would say separate) problem of making people aware of itself. But most solutions are like that. If you don't know about light bulbs, you can't decide to use them, therefore light bulbs are a bad solution to darkness? No, they solve darkness just fine; they just don't solve "awareness of light bulbs" very well.
    - codezero 7y ago
      Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying - our wires got crossed between literal and practical. I wonder how often this happens to me when the other party isn’t aware or willing to call that out :)