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I can choose not to buy magnets and chocolate eggs. I can’t choose not to buy poison in the US (“organic” foodstuff is an expensive bandaid)

dev_dull 7y ago
Fair enough but two sovereign countries aren’t expected to agree on everything. Variance is expected. What’s the data say in the pesticides?
- ilikehurdles 7y ago
  Data says big agriculture has more lobbyist money in US Congress than the team behind the Kinder Egg. The FDA is a revolving door. Dangerous toys get banned because they're easy, usually seasonal and low market-penetration targets for politicians campaigning on protecting the children.
  - owlninja 7y ago
    Can you share this data?
    - ilikehurdles 7y ago
      Opensecrets is a good source: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=A https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=A I don't have the details of the contribution amounts of the Ferrero team on Kinder Suprise Eggs.
- dusbajd 7y ago
  What’s data have to do with anything? All I want is a label telling me what I’m buying. My prejudices against chocolate eggs or RoundUp will affect my purchasing decision. Besides... data??? That’s a laugh! How do you a proper chronic long-term study in biology? Who’d be clean enough for your control group? What chronic conditions are you looking for (I.e are we only looking for yet another thing that causes cancer -yawn-, or are we looking for other ailments which appear to plague us today)? Sure, everyone claims their study achieves the above, but then who reproduces the work to double check it? I’ll stick to my luddite prejudices that serve me quite well. Just let me know what you put in my food, and I’ll decide if I want to buy it or not (btw, guess who are the folks lobbying against labeling laws)
fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
Organically labeled food not only use pesticides but use older pesticides that are more toxic and less effective so they must be used in larger quantities.
- MegaButts 7y ago
  I'd like to learn more about this. Got a link?
  - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
    I learned it long ago so nothing so comprehensive. Compare the LD50 of copper sulfate (organic pesticide) and glyphosate (Roundup). "The LD50 for copper sulfate is 30 mg/kg in rats" http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/copper-sulfate-ext.html http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicro... "The acute oral LD50 in the rat is 5,600 mg/kg." http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dienochlor-glyphosate/glyphosate-ext.html http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dienochlor-gly...
    - whatshisface 7y ago
      Nobody is dropping dead from fruit, so it's not the lethal dose that matters - it's the potential for bioaccumulation and the impacts of chronic exposure.

dev_dull 7y ago

Fair enough but two sovereign countries aren’t expected to agree on everything. Variance is expected. What’s the data say in the pesticides?

ilikehurdles 7y ago
Data says big agriculture has more lobbyist money in US Congress than the team behind the Kinder Egg. The FDA is a revolving door. Dangerous toys get banned because they're easy, usually seasonal and low market-penetration targets for politicians campaigning on protecting the children.
- owlninja 7y ago
  Can you share this data?
  - ilikehurdles 7y ago
    Opensecrets is a good source: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=A https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=A I don't have the details of the contribution amounts of the Ferrero team on Kinder Suprise Eggs.
dusbajd 7y ago
What’s data have to do with anything? All I want is a label telling me what I’m buying. My prejudices against chocolate eggs or RoundUp will affect my purchasing decision. Besides... data??? That’s a laugh! How do you a proper chronic long-term study in biology? Who’d be clean enough for your control group? What chronic conditions are you looking for (I.e are we only looking for yet another thing that causes cancer -yawn-, or are we looking for other ailments which appear to plague us today)? Sure, everyone claims their study achieves the above, but then who reproduces the work to double check it? I’ll stick to my luddite prejudices that serve me quite well. Just let me know what you put in my food, and I’ll decide if I want to buy it or not (btw, guess who are the folks lobbying against labeling laws)

fuzz4lyfe 7y ago

Organically labeled food not only use pesticides but use older pesticides that are more toxic and less effective so they must be used in larger quantities.

MegaButts 7y ago
I'd like to learn more about this. Got a link?
- fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
  I learned it long ago so nothing so comprehensive. Compare the LD50 of copper sulfate (organic pesticide) and glyphosate (Roundup). "The LD50 for copper sulfate is 30 mg/kg in rats" http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/copper-sulfate-ext.html http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicro... "The acute oral LD50 in the rat is 5,600 mg/kg." http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dienochlor-glyphosate/glyphosate-ext.html http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dienochlor-gly...
  - whatshisface 7y ago
    Nobody is dropping dead from fruit, so it's not the lethal dose that matters - it's the potential for bioaccumulation and the impacts of chronic exposure.