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So are people switching to Macbook Pros or to Mac OS X? Because I think the the industrial design of the laptop is driving a lot of people over, not Mac OS X.

So are people switching to Macbook Pros or to Mac OS X? Because I think the the industrial design of the laptop is driving a lot of people over, not Mac OS X. Are people switching to Apple desktop machines at the same rate? I'm not seeing it. If I were to buy a desktop tomorrow it would definitely not be a Mac, but if I were to buy a laptop tomorrow it would be a Macbook Pro.

bonzoesc 16y ago
People are switching to Mac OS X on MacBook Pro.
- vog 16y ago
  How do you know that, if those are so many people?
  - jammur 16y ago
    Because when you pay attention to what's going on in a community, you notice trends. In the open source community, most notably the web development community, there has been a trend of moving to Mac.
    - Maascamp 16y ago
      Source?
      - jammur 16y ago
        I think you might have missed the point of the post you replied to. The point is that sometimes you don't need data. For instance, in the fashion world, one might notice a trend of people wearing a certain style of jeans. Nobody is going to go out and do a a random sampled study to see if this holds up to scrutiny, but the trend is noticeable to anyone paying attention. If you're involved at all in the open source web development world for example, it would be pretty hard to miss the trend of developers moving to Mac.
callahad 16y ago
> I think the the industrial design of the laptop is driving a lot of people over, not Mac OS X. Are people switching to Apple desktop machines at the same rate? I'd concur, but that's the rub: Once you have that nice, well-designed machine in your hands, you discover that it has Python and Ruby and Emacs and Vim all preinstalled, not to mention a competent X server, and a reasonably nice terminal. Heck, it even defaults to Bash! And once you're faced with that, the cost-benefit analysis for switching the machine over to *nix starts to tip in OS X's favor. You can finally run popular commercial software (Office, PhotoShop, etc), if you want. You can finally test things in OS X. Sleep / resume, external displays, bluetooth accessories, printers... they all Just Work. And your battery life is great. Switching means giving up most of those benefits. And for what? You have a good POSIX environment, right? It's the nuances that get you: OS X ships libedit instead of readline, and getting the IPython to use the latter was excruciatingly difficult for quite some time. Not to mention libraries like PIL. But by the time you run up against those issues, you've already bought into so much of the Mac ecosystem...
nailer 16y ago
OS X. At PyCon most laptops are Macs, nearly all run OS X.

bonzoesc 16y ago

People are switching to Mac OS X on MacBook Pro.

vog 16y ago
How do you know that, if those are so many people?
- jammur 16y ago
  Because when you pay attention to what's going on in a community, you notice trends. In the open source community, most notably the web development community, there has been a trend of moving to Mac.
  - Maascamp 16y ago
    Source?
    - jammur 16y ago
      I think you might have missed the point of the post you replied to. The point is that sometimes you don't need data. For instance, in the fashion world, one might notice a trend of people wearing a certain style of jeans. Nobody is going to go out and do a a random sampled study to see if this holds up to scrutiny, but the trend is noticeable to anyone paying attention. If you're involved at all in the open source web development world for example, it would be pretty hard to miss the trend of developers moving to Mac.

callahad 16y ago

> I think the the industrial design of the laptop is driving a lot of people over, not Mac OS X. Are people switching to Apple desktop machines at the same rate? I'd concur, but that's the rub: Once you have that nice, well-designed machine in your hands, you discover that it has Python and Ruby and Emacs and Vim all preinstalled, not to mention a competent X server, and a reasonably nice terminal. Heck, it even defaults to Bash! And once you're faced with that, the cost-benefit analysis for switching the machine over to *nix starts to tip in OS X's favor. You can finally run popular commercial software (Office, PhotoShop, etc), if you want. You can finally test things in OS X. Sleep / resume, external displays, bluetooth accessories, printers... they all Just Work. And your battery life is great. Switching means giving up most of those benefits. And for what? You have a good POSIX environment, right? It's the nuances that get you: OS X ships libedit instead of readline, and getting the IPython to use the latter was excruciatingly difficult for quite some time. Not to mention libraries like PIL. But by the time you run up against those issues, you've already bought into so much of the Mac ecosystem...

nailer 16y ago

OS X. At PyCon most laptops are Macs, nearly all run OS X.