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"The EU is still allowing many dangerous toys[1][2] that are banned in U.S." /s [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinder_Surprise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

by dexen 7y ago

"The EU is still allowing many dangerous toys[1][2] that are banned in U.S." /s [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinder_Surprise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinder_Surprise [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet_toys#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet_toys#United_S...

dusbajd 7y ago
I can choose not to buy magnets and chocolate eggs. I can’t choose not to buy poison in the US (“organic” foodstuff is an expensive bandaid)
- dev_dull 7y ago
  Fair enough but two sovereign countries aren’t expected to agree on everything. Variance is expected. What’s the data say in the pesticides?
  - ilikehurdles 7y ago
    Data says big agriculture has more lobbyist money in US Congress than the team behind the Kinder Egg. The FDA is a revolving door. Dangerous toys get banned because they're easy, usually seasonal and low market-penetration targets for politicians campaigning on protecting the children.
    - owlninja 7y ago
      Can you share this data?
      - ilikehurdles 7y ago
        Opensecrets is a good source: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=A https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=A I don't have the details of the contribution amounts of the Ferrero team on Kinder Suprise Eggs.
  - dusbajd 7y ago
    What’s data have to do with anything? All I want is a label telling me what I’m buying. My prejudices against chocolate eggs or RoundUp will affect my purchasing decision. Besides... data??? That’s a laugh! How do you a proper chronic long-term study in biology? Who’d be clean enough for your control group? What chronic conditions are you looking for (I.e are we only looking for yet another thing that causes cancer -yawn-, or are we looking for other ailments which appear to plague us today)? Sure, everyone claims their study achieves the above, but then who reproduces the work to double check it? I’ll stick to my luddite prejudices that serve me quite well. Just let me know what you put in my food, and I’ll decide if I want to buy it or not (btw, guess who are the folks lobbying against labeling laws)
- fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
  Organically labeled food not only use pesticides but use older pesticides that are more toxic and less effective so they must be used in larger quantities.
  - MegaButts 7y ago
    I'd like to learn more about this. Got a link?
    - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
      I learned it long ago so nothing so comprehensive. Compare the LD50 of copper sulfate (organic pesticide) and glyphosate (Roundup). "The LD50 for copper sulfate is 30 mg/kg in rats" http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/copper-sulfate-ext.html http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicro... "The acute oral LD50 in the rat is 5,600 mg/kg." http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dienochlor-glyphosate/glyphosate-ext.html http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dienochlor-gly...
      - whatshisface 7y ago
        Nobody is dropping dead from fruit, so it's not the lethal dose that matters - it's the potential for bioaccumulation and the impacts of chronic exposure.
sildur 7y ago
They are not banned in the U.S.: As of January 2017, many brands of magnet spheres including Zen Magnets have resumed the sale of small neodymium magnet spheres following a successful appeal by Zen Magnets in the Tenth Circuit US Court of Appeals which vacated the 2012 CPSC regulation banning these products and thereby rendered the sale of small neodymium magnets once again legal in the United States. It was the CPSC's first such loss in more than 30 years.
radicalbyte 7y ago
The whole Kinder Surprise ban is insane. They're clearly labeled as containing small parts so are not suitable for toddlers. I'm a parent of a toddler and you have to have eagle eyes - they'll put anything they can find in their mouths. If it's not toys then it's stones they pick up from the ground outside. Or coins, or nuts, or dried pasta or one of a million other things. The one design improvement they made was the eggs - with the old design the egg came apart and as a teenager I used to put them in my mouth. In the new design the egg is one unit so that risk is removed.

by dexen 7y ago

dusbajd 7y ago

I can choose not to buy magnets and chocolate eggs. I can’t choose not to buy poison in the US (“organic” foodstuff is an expensive bandaid)

dev_dull 7y ago
Fair enough but two sovereign countries aren’t expected to agree on everything. Variance is expected. What’s the data say in the pesticides?
- ilikehurdles 7y ago
  Data says big agriculture has more lobbyist money in US Congress than the team behind the Kinder Egg. The FDA is a revolving door. Dangerous toys get banned because they're easy, usually seasonal and low market-penetration targets for politicians campaigning on protecting the children.
  - owlninja 7y ago
    Can you share this data?
    - ilikehurdles 7y ago
      Opensecrets is a good source: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=A https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=A I don't have the details of the contribution amounts of the Ferrero team on Kinder Suprise Eggs.
- dusbajd 7y ago
  What’s data have to do with anything? All I want is a label telling me what I’m buying. My prejudices against chocolate eggs or RoundUp will affect my purchasing decision. Besides... data??? That’s a laugh! How do you a proper chronic long-term study in biology? Who’d be clean enough for your control group? What chronic conditions are you looking for (I.e are we only looking for yet another thing that causes cancer -yawn-, or are we looking for other ailments which appear to plague us today)? Sure, everyone claims their study achieves the above, but then who reproduces the work to double check it? I’ll stick to my luddite prejudices that serve me quite well. Just let me know what you put in my food, and I’ll decide if I want to buy it or not (btw, guess who are the folks lobbying against labeling laws)
fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
Organically labeled food not only use pesticides but use older pesticides that are more toxic and less effective so they must be used in larger quantities.
- MegaButts 7y ago
  I'd like to learn more about this. Got a link?
  - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
    I learned it long ago so nothing so comprehensive. Compare the LD50 of copper sulfate (organic pesticide) and glyphosate (Roundup). "The LD50 for copper sulfate is 30 mg/kg in rats" http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/copper-sulfate-ext.html http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicro... "The acute oral LD50 in the rat is 5,600 mg/kg." http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dienochlor-glyphosate/glyphosate-ext.html http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dienochlor-gly...
    - whatshisface 7y ago
      Nobody is dropping dead from fruit, so it's not the lethal dose that matters - it's the potential for bioaccumulation and the impacts of chronic exposure.

sildur 7y ago

They are not banned in the U.S.: As of January 2017, many brands of magnet spheres including Zen Magnets have resumed the sale of small neodymium magnet spheres following a successful appeal by Zen Magnets in the Tenth Circuit US Court of Appeals which vacated the 2012 CPSC regulation banning these products and thereby rendered the sale of small neodymium magnets once again legal in the United States. It was the CPSC's first such loss in more than 30 years.

radicalbyte 7y ago

The whole Kinder Surprise ban is insane. They're clearly labeled as containing small parts so are not suitable for toddlers. I'm a parent of a toddler and you have to have eagle eyes - they'll put anything they can find in their mouths. If it's not toys then it's stones they pick up from the ground outside. Or coins, or nuts, or dried pasta or one of a million other things. The one design improvement they made was the eggs - with the old design the egg came apart and as a teenager I used to put them in my mouth. In the new design the egg is one unit so that risk is removed.