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This thread hits home. I switched jobs a few years ago because the IT policies on workstations were being ratcheted down to make my job as a developer difficult

This thread hits home. I switched jobs a few years ago because the IT policies on workstations were being ratcheted down to make my job as a developer difficult to impossible. Now, the company I work for, ostensibly a _software_ company, got its ISO certifications, which meant policies and procedures that make developing hard or impossible again. How does a software business _successfully_ implement stringent access controls while still allowing for efficient software development? I'd like to see/hear what works.

CrossWired 7y ago
I'm heading down this path right now. How do I obtain my certs while also allowing enough freedom for the dev teams to operate. We have to deal with the fallout when they screw something up, there has to be a happy medium somewhere.
- user5994461 7y ago
  What's the issue specifically? Developers don't need admin rights for much of anything in this decade. No need to bother with that. Common software has to be made available in self-service, so developers can install development tools like notepad++ or visual studio. Deployment is usually the challenge because you have to store binaries somewhere, copy it to some random servers and finally execute it, each step causing numerous security headaches, so there has to be some approved tooling to handle that.
  - stefan_ 7y ago
    You can't get past "docker run" without admin rights. No, the challenge is access to production data without auditing.
  - jrjarrett 7y ago
    Developers don't need admin rights for much of anything in this decade. No need to bother with that. Please defend this position. My experience, mostly with Linux-like tools, is that those tools are built with the assumption they are being used by someone who knows what they are doing, and that they have the appropriate level of control of the machine -- they are tools for professionals to build tools. If you don't have rights to install or execute them, you're done. You can't make any forward progress.
miqkt 7y ago
Alas, I'm in a similar situation with my current stint and looking for an exit. The most maddening part for me is to literally sit around helpless and unable to do any development because you need to wait for your IT support ticket to be looked at. Then having to explain to your manager why work is behind schedule. However, idle time alone doesn't seem like strong enough reason to open discussion on changing IT policies.

CrossWired 7y ago

I'm heading down this path right now. How do I obtain my certs while also allowing enough freedom for the dev teams to operate. We have to deal with the fallout when they screw something up, there has to be a happy medium somewhere.

user5994461 7y ago
What's the issue specifically? Developers don't need admin rights for much of anything in this decade. No need to bother with that. Common software has to be made available in self-service, so developers can install development tools like notepad++ or visual studio. Deployment is usually the challenge because you have to store binaries somewhere, copy it to some random servers and finally execute it, each step causing numerous security headaches, so there has to be some approved tooling to handle that.
- stefan_ 7y ago
  You can't get past "docker run" without admin rights. No, the challenge is access to production data without auditing.
- jrjarrett 7y ago
  Developers don't need admin rights for much of anything in this decade. No need to bother with that. Please defend this position. My experience, mostly with Linux-like tools, is that those tools are built with the assumption they are being used by someone who knows what they are doing, and that they have the appropriate level of control of the machine -- they are tools for professionals to build tools. If you don't have rights to install or execute them, you're done. You can't make any forward progress.

miqkt 7y ago

Alas, I'm in a similar situation with my current stint and looking for an exit. The most maddening part for me is to literally sit around helpless and unable to do any development because you need to wait for your IT support ticket to be looked at. Then having to explain to your manager why work is behind schedule. However, idle time alone doesn't seem like strong enough reason to open discussion on changing IT policies.