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"Internal exchanges uncovered in response to FTC probe could cast doubt on founder’s commitment to user privacy, people familiar with the matter say" Who think

"Internal exchanges uncovered in response to FTC probe could cast doubt on founder’s commitment to user privacy, people familiar with the matter say" Who thinks Zuckerberg has (or ever had) _any_ commitment to user privacy?

jakear 7y ago
You’re preaching to the choir on HN. The victims are the “dumb fucks” using his product. (His words, not mine)
chipperyman573 7y ago
Probably people who listen to FB claim that they do.
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basch 7y ago
Pretty disingenuous. People can change. AND we dont have a timeline. Facebook kept pushing more and more info public, in an attempt to make facebook more useful. ( http://mattmckeon.com/facebook-privacy/ http://mattmckeon.com/facebook-privacy/ ) Then they saw they went too far and quietly scaled it back. Four years later they got burned by mistakes they already knew they made and had already started taking action on. There's multiple issues at foot: when he knew, how he reacted, and why he didn't disclose. He could have absolutely found out, ordered changes, and tried to keep it quiet, and later learned what a mistake it was to keep quiet.
- CaptainZapp 7y ago
  Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks [1] [1] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg I see absolutely no indication that Mr. Zuckerberg changed his attitude since then.
  - basch 7y ago
    Im aware of the quote. I just think theres more cognitive dissonance than evil. He tells him self that facebook is xyz, and starts to believe it. I do think the force of public opinion has forced him to reconsider some beliefs about everyone being open about everything.
    - CaptainZapp 7y ago
      It may be a bit of both. Sort of like CEO's making north of 20M a year and being completely oblivious to the fact that this is so far away from the norm and in his opinion it's perfectly OK to make thousand times the money of the (outsourced) janitor. Nevertheless I feel that Facebook, including its top level managers, is one of the most untrustworthy companies around. If you think about it, their businessmodel absolutely requires it. I leave it to the reader if this is judged as evil (I obviously do). For the record: I don't use any of their properties since 2013 and it galls me that I'm still tracked and spied on to the hilt and back. edit: slight clarify
      - basch 7y ago
        untrustworthy in an ethical sense, BUT from a technical competence sense I trust them not to leak my data _in a hack_ quite a bit more than about 99% of companies.

jakear 7y ago

You’re preaching to the choir on HN. The victims are the “dumb fucks” using his product. (His words, not mine)

chipperyman573 7y ago

Probably people who listen to FB claim that they do.

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basch 7y ago

Pretty disingenuous. People can change. AND we dont have a timeline. Facebook kept pushing more and more info public, in an attempt to make facebook more useful. ( http://mattmckeon.com/facebook-privacy/ http://mattmckeon.com/facebook-privacy/ ) Then they saw they went too far and quietly scaled it back. Four years later they got burned by mistakes they already knew they made and had already started taking action on. There's multiple issues at foot: when he knew, how he reacted, and why he didn't disclose. He could have absolutely found out, ordered changes, and tried to keep it quiet, and later learned what a mistake it was to keep quiet.

CaptainZapp 7y ago
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks [1] [1] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg I see absolutely no indication that Mr. Zuckerberg changed his attitude since then.
- basch 7y ago
  Im aware of the quote. I just think theres more cognitive dissonance than evil. He tells him self that facebook is xyz, and starts to believe it. I do think the force of public opinion has forced him to reconsider some beliefs about everyone being open about everything.
  - CaptainZapp 7y ago
    It may be a bit of both. Sort of like CEO's making north of 20M a year and being completely oblivious to the fact that this is so far away from the norm and in his opinion it's perfectly OK to make thousand times the money of the (outsourced) janitor. Nevertheless I feel that Facebook, including its top level managers, is one of the most untrustworthy companies around. If you think about it, their businessmodel absolutely requires it. I leave it to the reader if this is judged as evil (I obviously do). For the record: I don't use any of their properties since 2013 and it galls me that I'm still tracked and spied on to the hilt and back. edit: slight clarify
    - basch 7y ago
      untrustworthy in an ethical sense, BUT from a technical competence sense I trust them not to leak my data _in a hack_ quite a bit more than about 99% of companies.