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I still don't understand why a robust review process cannot prevent China from capturing anyone passing through Hong Kong. What about letting protesters to form

by majia 7y ago

I still don't understand why a robust review process cannot prevent China from capturing anyone passing through Hong Kong. What about letting protesters to form a committee to decide how can be extradited?

utbabya 7y ago
Because we don't have an army, so naturally power flows to pro-beijing camps. In this game you win by being pro-beijing. ANd there's the effect of diffusion. There's already news on the LegCo security team having to proclaim their political inclination, who're supposed to have to act politically neutral. The only person who refused to take pro-beijing side got bullied, sidelined to the point where she had resort to psychiatrist. Because legitimacy of legal documents can be a joke, in a "human-based rule of law system" China. Judges and lawyers are openly oppose to this themselves since they can only decide base on prima facie evidence, so they have no real power. Because China can and does lock people up base on speech, or even thoughts.
wyuenho 7y ago
I should have made this clearer. This proposal wasn't refused by the protestors, it was refused by the government.
- majia 7y ago
  I see. I’d agree that the hk government should have done more to convince people that the extradition law will not be abused.
spacehunt 7y ago
Because the only thing the local courts in HK will be able to do is to simply review the "evidence" presented and not able to launch their own investigations as to whether the allegations presented are valid. In other words, there will never be a robust process because that is simply impossible.
- majia 7y ago
  Why not? Firstly it doesn’t have to be a rule based traditional court. A jury panel of hk citizens could examine evidence and have a vote of conscience. Secondly hk citizens who are reviewing extradition cases could be representatives from the protesters, who have shown their will to fight against oppression.
  - spacehunt 7y ago
    But this is not how the proposed legislation is written, is it?

by majia 7y ago

utbabya 7y ago

Because we don't have an army, so naturally power flows to pro-beijing camps. In this game you win by being pro-beijing. ANd there's the effect of diffusion. There's already news on the LegCo security team having to proclaim their political inclination, who're supposed to have to act politically neutral. The only person who refused to take pro-beijing side got bullied, sidelined to the point where she had resort to psychiatrist. Because legitimacy of legal documents can be a joke, in a "human-based rule of law system" China. Judges and lawyers are openly oppose to this themselves since they can only decide base on prima facie evidence, so they have no real power. Because China can and does lock people up base on speech, or even thoughts.

wyuenho 7y ago

I should have made this clearer. This proposal wasn't refused by the protestors, it was refused by the government.

majia 7y ago
I see. I’d agree that the hk government should have done more to convince people that the extradition law will not be abused.

spacehunt 7y ago

Because the only thing the local courts in HK will be able to do is to simply review the "evidence" presented and not able to launch their own investigations as to whether the allegations presented are valid. In other words, there will never be a robust process because that is simply impossible.

majia 7y ago
Why not? Firstly it doesn’t have to be a rule based traditional court. A jury panel of hk citizens could examine evidence and have a vote of conscience. Secondly hk citizens who are reviewing extradition cases could be representatives from the protesters, who have shown their will to fight against oppression.
- spacehunt 7y ago
  But this is not how the proposed legislation is written, is it?