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Can anyone close to the situation share the best way to support the protesters from outside of Hong Kong?

Leary 7y ago
Buy products from Hong Kong protesters, while boycotting products from those who support the Hong Kong government.
DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
in order of effectiveness: 1) don't buy Chinese goods. 2) share news like this and other examples about how China treats dissidents on channels like LinkedIn which are frequented by Chinese and those doing business with China pretending it's all good. 3) protest outside a Chinese embassy (don't forget your umbrella) 4) if you're in the loop and aware of such things then call out those Western politicians pandering to Chinese bureaucrats (I'm aware of infrastructure projects in SE Europe and Africa where plenty of dark money flows ... hello Croatia Tourism board, BiH, Serbia, Montenegro ...)
- eatbitseveryday 7y ago
  > 3) protest outside a Chinese embassy (don't forget your umbrella) Here's my concern already. I have in-laws that live in China. I have a Chinese visa, and need to travel to China for work sometimes. Won't doing this jeopardize me in some way? I'd be happy to participate if only I knew I'd never return to the country or had no ties there.
  - chibg10 7y ago
    Wear a mask :)
    - codezero 7y ago
      China has pioneered biometric measurements of people on things other than face, like gait, so also, maybe wear a single platform shoe :)
  - beebmam 7y ago
    >I have in-laws that live in Nazi Germany. I have a German visa, and need to travel to Nazi Germany for work sometimes. Does that put it in better context? I don't believe the comparison to Nazi Germany is that unjustified. You already know what the right thing to do is, you're just not considering it an option.
    - dang 7y ago
      This crosses into personal attack as well as being flamebait. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't post like this.
rchaud 7y ago
Make the sacrifice of ethical consumption. Refuse to support companies that are in the business of selling technology, weapons and other tools of subjugation to the party or allies of the party.
digianarchist 7y ago
They should sell yellow umbrellas and t-shirts. I would buy one.
wyuenho 7y ago
None of the above suggested. The best way to support protesters in Hong Kong from the outside is to call your MPs or representatives and senators. If you are in the US, watch what the Congress' China Commission is doing, and call your representatives and senators to lobby them to support the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act[1] when it is brought to the floor. This act is designed to strengthen whatever safeguard mechanism was introduced in the last act concerning trade with Hong Kong called the US-Hong Kong Policy Act. In addition, lobby for sanctions on HK government officials when the time is right. Most if not all top HK and Chinese officials have huge hidden assets all over the world, lots of it in the US. If you are in Australia and New Zealand. In recent years there have been multiple reports of Chinese-bought PMs and officials. These are spies or sellouts. Vote them out, and keep any appeasers to the Chinese out of office. Do not let the CCP infiltrate your institutions. If you are in Canada, and especially if you are in Vancouver or Toronto and any other areas where there's a major recent Mainland Chinese immigrant population, keep a very close eye on your neighbors as they, as required by Chinese laws and CCP's modus operandi, likely have set up local CCP branches wherever there are more than a dozen of them. Recently there have been attempts at Richmond and elsewhere to get CCP annointed candidates elected into the local governments. Find out all the illegal/backdoor dealings they have with the Chinese authorities, publicize them, do not give them an inch of political power as they will slowly but surely erode your democratic institutions. Modern China and its population are very different from what they were in 1989. They are now organized, patient, and subtle. Wherever the Mainland Chinese are expanding influence and power, resist. Do not trust them.
- z2 7y ago
  The best possible interpretation of this comment is that you are warning of influence from people who have ties to the CCP. The worst possible interpretation, however comes from: > Wherever the Mainland Chinese are expanding influence and power, resist. Do not trust them. > If you are in Canada, and especially if you are in Vancouver or Toronto and any other areas where there's a major recent Mainland Chinese immigrant population, keep a very close eye on your neighbors as they, as required by Chinese laws and CCP's modus operandi, likely have set up local CCP branches wherever there are more than a dozen of them. This is flat-out unsubstantiated, and reads like a vitriolic smearing of a broad class of minorities. You are asking for the impossible task of somehow knowing who to trust. What of second or third-generation immigrants? Are you going to judge people's recency by their accents, or perhaps just that they look Chinese? In the absence of that knowledge, what you are actually advocating for is broad discrimination and paranoia against 17% of the world's population, and the very small percentage of that who decided to start a life in another nation.

Buy products from Hong Kong protesters, while boycotting products from those who support the Hong Kong government.

in order of effectiveness: 1) don't buy Chinese goods. 2) share news like this and other examples about how China treats dissidents on channels like LinkedIn which are frequented by Chinese and those doing business with China pretending it's all good. 3) protest outside a Chinese embassy (don't forget your umbrella) 4) if you're in the loop and aware of such things then call out those Western politicians pandering to Chinese bureaucrats (I'm aware of infrastructure projects in SE Europe and Africa where plenty of dark money flows ... hello Croatia Tourism board, BiH, Serbia, Montenegro ...)

eatbitseveryday 7y ago
> 3) protest outside a Chinese embassy (don't forget your umbrella) Here's my concern already. I have in-laws that live in China. I have a Chinese visa, and need to travel to China for work sometimes. Won't doing this jeopardize me in some way? I'd be happy to participate if only I knew I'd never return to the country or had no ties there.
- chibg10 7y ago
  Wear a mask :)
  - codezero 7y ago
    China has pioneered biometric measurements of people on things other than face, like gait, so also, maybe wear a single platform shoe :)
- beebmam 7y ago
  >I have in-laws that live in Nazi Germany. I have a German visa, and need to travel to Nazi Germany for work sometimes. Does that put it in better context? I don't believe the comparison to Nazi Germany is that unjustified. You already know what the right thing to do is, you're just not considering it an option.
  - dang 7y ago
    This crosses into personal attack as well as being flamebait. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't post like this.

rchaud 7y ago

Make the sacrifice of ethical consumption. Refuse to support companies that are in the business of selling technology, weapons and other tools of subjugation to the party or allies of the party.

digianarchist 7y ago

They should sell yellow umbrellas and t-shirts. I would buy one.

wyuenho 7y ago

None of the above suggested. The best way to support protesters in Hong Kong from the outside is to call your MPs or representatives and senators. If you are in the US, watch what the Congress' China Commission is doing, and call your representatives and senators to lobby them to support the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act[1] when it is brought to the floor. This act is designed to strengthen whatever safeguard mechanism was introduced in the last act concerning trade with Hong Kong called the US-Hong Kong Policy Act. In addition, lobby for sanctions on HK government officials when the time is right. Most if not all top HK and Chinese officials have huge hidden assets all over the world, lots of it in the US. If you are in Australia and New Zealand. In recent years there have been multiple reports of Chinese-bought PMs and officials. These are spies or sellouts. Vote them out, and keep any appeasers to the Chinese out of office. Do not let the CCP infiltrate your institutions. If you are in Canada, and especially if you are in Vancouver or Toronto and any other areas where there's a major recent Mainland Chinese immigrant population, keep a very close eye on your neighbors as they, as required by Chinese laws and CCP's modus operandi, likely have set up local CCP branches wherever there are more than a dozen of them. Recently there have been attempts at Richmond and elsewhere to get CCP annointed candidates elected into the local governments. Find out all the illegal/backdoor dealings they have with the Chinese authorities, publicize them, do not give them an inch of political power as they will slowly but surely erode your democratic institutions. Modern China and its population are very different from what they were in 1989. They are now organized, patient, and subtle. Wherever the Mainland Chinese are expanding influence and power, resist. Do not trust them.

z2 7y ago
The best possible interpretation of this comment is that you are warning of influence from people who have ties to the CCP. The worst possible interpretation, however comes from: > Wherever the Mainland Chinese are expanding influence and power, resist. Do not trust them. > If you are in Canada, and especially if you are in Vancouver or Toronto and any other areas where there's a major recent Mainland Chinese immigrant population, keep a very close eye on your neighbors as they, as required by Chinese laws and CCP's modus operandi, likely have set up local CCP branches wherever there are more than a dozen of them. This is flat-out unsubstantiated, and reads like a vitriolic smearing of a broad class of minorities. You are asking for the impossible task of somehow knowing who to trust. What of second or third-generation immigrants? Are you going to judge people's recency by their accents, or perhaps just that they look Chinese? In the absence of that knowledge, what you are actually advocating for is broad discrimination and paranoia against 17% of the world's population, and the very small percentage of that who decided to start a life in another nation.