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You are similarly sharing data on your contacts with Apple.

by gloflo 7y ago

ballenf 7y ago
Comments like yours imply that no one cannot exist on the internet without sharing stuff with some company, so it doesn’t really matter which one you choose. Of course it matters. And of course one should remain vigilant to monitor the company of choice for changes in strategy or the like that might affect privacy claims. I don’t inherently trust Apple more than Google, but I do trust (begrudgingly) that Apple’s current business model aligns their interests on privacy better with mine.
- beat 7y ago
  There's where the rubber hits the road, for me. Want total privacy? Stay off the internet. Way back in the dark ages of 1996 or so, I went to a very early web security conference. At that point, it wasn't really a profession. It was junior devs like me, schoolteachers, all sorts of people who had the job of "web security" cast upon them. And we all commiserated about getting the same marching orders... our bosses wanted absolute and total security, with absolute and totally unfettered access to the internet, and without spending any money at all. The consumer privacy discussion today reminds me so much of that era. Everyone wants unfettered access to the internet, without paying for it, and without anyone selling your data.
nerdjon 7y ago
To a certain degree yes, Apple theoretically has access to all of that data thanks to my iCloud Drive, Mac, iPhone, etc etc. Nearly all of my digital life happens on an Apple device. However they have shown that most of this happens on device instead of in the cloud, and they are not in the market of mining that data in order to build a profile that is used so a third party can sell me ads.
hasthishappened 7y ago
And? Have they ever sent an email to someone not on the service lying and saying, "so and so is trying to connect with you on <Apple Service>"? Have they ever harvested your contacts and then spammed them with ads for your service? Because Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. have. Backing your Contacts up to iCloud so they're on all your devices isn't remotely the same as apps like Facebook and LinkedIn slurping up your contacts for their own use and it's extremely disingenuous of you to imply it's the same thing.

You are similarly sharing data on your contacts with Apple.

by gloflo 7y ago

You are similarly sharing data on your contacts with Apple.

Comments like yours imply that no one cannot exist on the internet without sharing stuff with some company, so it doesn’t really matter which one you choose. Of course it matters. And of course one should remain vigilant to monitor the company of choice for changes in strategy or the like that might affect privacy claims. I don’t inherently trust Apple more than Google, but I do trust (begrudgingly) that Apple’s current business model aligns their interests on privacy better with mine.

beat 7y ago
There's where the rubber hits the road, for me. Want total privacy? Stay off the internet. Way back in the dark ages of 1996 or so, I went to a very early web security conference. At that point, it wasn't really a profession. It was junior devs like me, schoolteachers, all sorts of people who had the job of "web security" cast upon them. And we all commiserated about getting the same marching orders... our bosses wanted absolute and total security, with absolute and totally unfettered access to the internet, and without spending any money at all. The consumer privacy discussion today reminds me so much of that era. Everyone wants unfettered access to the internet, without paying for it, and without anyone selling your data.

nerdjon 7y ago

To a certain degree yes, Apple theoretically has access to all of that data thanks to my iCloud Drive, Mac, iPhone, etc etc. Nearly all of my digital life happens on an Apple device. However they have shown that most of this happens on device instead of in the cloud, and they are not in the market of mining that data in order to build a profile that is used so a third party can sell me ads.

hasthishappened 7y ago

And? Have they ever sent an email to someone not on the service lying and saying, "so and so is trying to connect with you on <Apple Service>"? Have they ever harvested your contacts and then spammed them with ads for your service? Because Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. have. Backing your Contacts up to iCloud so they're on all your devices isn't remotely the same as apps like Facebook and LinkedIn slurping up your contacts for their own use and it's extremely disingenuous of you to imply it's the same thing.