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Are they the worst programmers? If they were hired as the consequence of a diversity quota, then they are statistically likely, even guaranteed, to have been hi
by ralusek 7y ago
Are they the worst programmers? If they were hired as the consequence of a diversity quota, then they are statistically likely, even guaranteed, to have been hired at a lower barrier to entry than their peers.
To take something like this seriously, bring data. What is an example of a worse job? How does your performance compare to the person put on a different job? People primed to think a certain way tend to think a certain way, and it experience so far has very often shown that people have reality twisted according to their expectations.
I'm, of course, not saying that this isn't possibly something that is happening. I do, however, bring a healthy level of skepticism.
- ahelwer 7y agoThis data does not exist, will never exist (how would you even quantify half of those things?), and if you require it as a standard of evidence for acknowledging the existence of sexism you will fulfill the function of protecting and perpetuating sexism. We do have data on many other similar types of sexism, of which I'm sure as someone laser-focused on evidence you are already aware. You might construe this as "don't question claims of sexism!" but understand that questioning claims of sexism is the default reaction offered to people reporting sexism, and this quantity has a quality all of its own.
- fizwhiz 7y ago> if you require it as a standard of evidence for acknowledging the existence of sexism you will fulfill the function of protecting and perpetuating sexism. Whoa, what are you insinuating here?
- ahelwer 7y agoI don't think I'm insinuating anything, it is stated very clearly.
- fizwhiz 7y agoI'm afraid it isn't. Your comment seems to imply that if the evidence were to be collected it would not be in favor of the "diversity hires" thus perpetuating sexism in the workplace. If this isn't the case, could you care to unpack why collecting data on this is actually a bad thing?
- ahelwer 7y agoNowhere did I say collecting data is a bad thing. I am sure data would support the allegations. I said requiring this type of data before taking action fulfills the function of protecting and perpetuating sexism, because it is an impossible bar to clear.
- lm28469 7y ago> I said requiring this type of data before taking action fulfills the function of protecting and perpetuating sexism How do you take action to fix something if you don't even know if/why/how it's broken ? It's pure madness to pass feel good equality of outcome laws and never checking on the data to see if it has a positive effect or not.
- ahelwer 7y agoYou do know whether it's broken, because you have people telling you. Testimony is evidence, and it's used for making almost all business decisions. Go ahead and collect data to see whether your policies are working. A much better world compared to the usual, where people are asked to show the data and zero resources are provided to gather that data.
- lm28469 7y ago> You do know whether it's broken, because you have people telling you. As many people are saying the opposite. So what now ? We chose the side that shouts "inequality !" the loudest ? > Go ahead and collect data It's illegal in my country.
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- GoodJokes 7y agoLet me guess you bring a healthy sense of skepticism to a lot of things in the diversity realm. I would try believing women and thinking/researching the benefits of diversity.