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The point is that what people find to be "socially unacceptable" in public is totally arbitrary. Why do you all really care if I smoke crack in public?

• malvosenior 7y ago
  Health is not arbitrary. Why do I care if you smoke crack in public? Because I don’t want to breathe your second hand crack smoke. I’m shocked that this point is being lost in the discussion as it seems quite obvious.
  • leetcrew 7y ago
    what if they do it in a designated smoking area?
    • malvosenior 7y ago
      Still not good enough: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/protection/ventilation/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/seco...
      • leetcrew 7y ago
        that link is about second hand smoke indoors. I wasn't specific, but I meant outdoors.
        • malvosenior 7y ago
          I question that the needed ventilation and filtering systems would be worth the cost. Also, crack makes people kinda crazy, no? Do you really want rooms full of people smoking crack everywhere? I know I'm talking about second hand smoke (which would be awful) but there are tons of other reasons this is a bad idea.
          • leetcrew 7y ago
            I'm honestly confused at your response. I am talking about people smoking outdoors in a designated smoking area and you keep talking about ventilation and filtering mechanism and rooms full of smokers. are we having the same conversation? > Do you really want rooms full of people smoking crack everywhere? I don't think anyone should smoke anything in public indoor spaces. it's unfair to people who have to breathe it. outside, at a designated smoking area? smoke whatever you want. I won't be inhaling it. > Also, crack makes people kinda crazy, no? maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. if they start acting aggressive, we already have laws against that. I've now seen this debate play out many times over the years. people talk about health concerns, litter, violence, and all kinds of things like that. but it's already illegal to litter and it's already illegal to threaten people. if it's not already, it should be illegal to leave dirty needles around. but I think these are all just ways to avoid saying what people really mean: they just want drug users banished from their sight so they don't have to think about it.
            • 3131s 7y ago
              > we already have laws against that... it's already illegal to litter and it's already illegal to threaten people. if it's not already, it should be illegal to leave dirty needles around. Perfectly said. It's amazing how often this train of thought derails the discussion about drug legalization.
            • malvosenior 7y ago
              > they just want drug users banished from their sight so they don't have to think about it. This by the way is a perfectly legitimate opinion to have. There's all kinds of stuff I don't want to watch people do in public, hard drug use is near the top. It's pretty weird that people think it's some sort of right they have (or should have).
              • leetcrew 7y ago
                I mean, it's a legitimate opinion in the sense that everyone is entitled to have opinions, but I can't agree that "unsightly behavior" is a good standard for justifying the use of state violence. just think about how many things your (proverbial) conservative uncle would consider unsightly in public and how many people might agree with him.
  • 3131s 7y ago
    Well, it would be second hand crack vapor, which I really doubt would have any effect on others at all. Cocaine in small receational doses really isn't that harmful to begin with, let alone second hand microdoses. And what if I don't want your second hand gasoline fumes? I don't want or own a car, why should you get to drive one around in public? I absolutely guarantee you that your exhaust fumes are worse for my health than my second hand crack vapor is for your health.
• sdfsafsafas 7y ago
  1. Your resultant behavior in public 2. The consequences to everyone of your addiction.
  • 3131s 7y ago
    Arrest me on the basis of my resultant behavior then, if it necessitates that. Have you ever smoked crack? I have, a lot! What consequences? What behavior are you expecting from me?
    • sdfsafsafas 7y ago
      As an addict, quite a bit. As a casual user, keep it indoors and I don't really care. I'll still throw your pusher in jail for a while.
      • 3131s 7y ago
        Fascist pig.
        • dang 7y ago
          Please don't do this here.