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Possession and public use/display are two different things. Do not confuse the two. It's the same with alcohol, I can legally walk or drive around with a seale

Possession and public use/display are two different things. Do not confuse the two. It's the same with alcohol, I can legally walk or drive around with a sealed container during transport. If I open that container in public and drink from it, I am breaking the law. I 100% agree that possession of any drug should not lead to automatic arrest. But public consumption should not go unpunished nor should it be encouraged. Though, what is a good compromise for punishing public consumption? I say confiscate the drugs and paraphernalia while offering help as a good start. Arresting them just wastes time and money as once released they will go right back to doing what got them there in the first place. Jail is useless, they need a complete reboot in life which is extraordinarily difficult. I have no solution for that as there is no one size fits all approach.

leetcrew 7y ago
why does public use have to be punished?
- sdfsafsafas 7y ago
  Because having junkies and drunks meandering about significantly decreases the liability of the public space to the majority of people. Life isn't like in college full of debauchery and little of how our actions affect others . The public space is a space where we all have the responsibility to ensure that our enjoyment doesn't trample on others. Including: - Not speeding on a street. (it's not a road, it's a street) - Cleaning up for yourself - Not making a nuisance of yourself - Not taking drugs/booze at the playground [0] - Ignoring the "dogs on a leash" or "no dogs allowed" sign [0] Don't worry. If you're intoxicated or doing drugs in my kids playground, I'm calling the police. Why does my kid have to dodge your drunk ass or your syringes to get to the slide?
  - leetcrew 7y ago
    it seems like your position is that Behavior A often leads to Behavior B. Behavior B can harm you or your kid, so make Behavior A illegal. there's a difference between a guy quietly enjoying a beer on a park bench and a drunk plowing through children on a playground. you don't need a blanket ban on public use just to have an excuse to arrest people who are actually harming others. unless you're arguing that the mere sight of people being on drugs/alcohol harms you. in that case I propose that we also make it illegal not to bathe. dirty people make public spaces "unliveable" for me.
    - DubiousPusher 7y ago
      As absurd as it sounds... Number of times I've been driven from a train, street car or bus because someone's BO was goning to make me barf, dozens. Number of times I've been driven from a train, street car or bus because someone was using drugs, 0.
      - keypusher 7y ago
        BO disgusts you but you don’t mind someone smoking meth or shooting heroin on the train/bus near to you? Because I’ve experienced both of these in SF, and it’s a bit unsettling.
        DubiousPusher 7y ago
        I also have encountered both. It seems like a bad idea to me but as long as the second hand smoke isn't invading my space then no I really don't care. There are sanitation concerns but if that's the real problem lets address that and get over being icked out. Edit: I've literally had my kid with me when someone's been injecting in a public space and while it wasn't my favorite moment in life it still wasn't a big deal. He asked me about it and I explained that the man was injecting something like medicine but that it is mostly not good like medicine usually is. And I explained that he probably shouldn't be doing it there but that he probably couldn't think right and no longer understood when it was appropriate to do something like that. My kid understood and as far as I can tell and was not traumatized. Literally he got over something most adults can't and he's 7. Why? Because instead of going into grossed out, full panic, cover your virgin eyes mode I explained it, with words.
      - sdfsafsafas 7y ago
        Do you have kids? Imagine a kid, who has vivid memories of getting vaccinated and anyways knows sharp things are terribly painful, seeing a guy stick a needle in his arm. That's the stuff kid's nightmares are made for. I'll give my kid (as young as two) a bill to give a homeless. I don't want them ever to not see the humanity of any individual. But I do not accept that their innocence is stolen from them!
  - rdtwo 7y ago
    [0] you could try, they probably won’t show up or do anything if they do. Speaking as someone who has been chased off the playground in Seattle multiple times this last year by drug users. Btw as a parent in Seattle I always do a sweep for needles as the playground.
    - sdfsafsafas 7y ago
      Thankfully, I left the West Coast after three months. Where I live the police will show up in a jiffy for doing drugs in a playground. What most impacted me was a homeless man that collapsed and everyone walked over him as if he weren't there. What humanity! West Coasters will allow this man to destroy himself with drugs and booze, but will walk over him as he collapses.

leetcrew 7y ago

why does public use have to be punished?

sdfsafsafas 7y ago
Because having junkies and drunks meandering about significantly decreases the liability of the public space to the majority of people. Life isn't like in college full of debauchery and little of how our actions affect others . The public space is a space where we all have the responsibility to ensure that our enjoyment doesn't trample on others. Including: - Not speeding on a street. (it's not a road, it's a street) - Cleaning up for yourself - Not making a nuisance of yourself - Not taking drugs/booze at the playground [0] - Ignoring the "dogs on a leash" or "no dogs allowed" sign [0] Don't worry. If you're intoxicated or doing drugs in my kids playground, I'm calling the police. Why does my kid have to dodge your drunk ass or your syringes to get to the slide?
- leetcrew 7y ago
  it seems like your position is that Behavior A often leads to Behavior B. Behavior B can harm you or your kid, so make Behavior A illegal. there's a difference between a guy quietly enjoying a beer on a park bench and a drunk plowing through children on a playground. you don't need a blanket ban on public use just to have an excuse to arrest people who are actually harming others. unless you're arguing that the mere sight of people being on drugs/alcohol harms you. in that case I propose that we also make it illegal not to bathe. dirty people make public spaces "unliveable" for me.
  - DubiousPusher 7y ago
    As absurd as it sounds... Number of times I've been driven from a train, street car or bus because someone's BO was goning to make me barf, dozens. Number of times I've been driven from a train, street car or bus because someone was using drugs, 0.
    - keypusher 7y ago
      BO disgusts you but you don’t mind someone smoking meth or shooting heroin on the train/bus near to you? Because I’ve experienced both of these in SF, and it’s a bit unsettling.
      - DubiousPusher 7y ago
        I also have encountered both. It seems like a bad idea to me but as long as the second hand smoke isn't invading my space then no I really don't care. There are sanitation concerns but if that's the real problem lets address that and get over being icked out. Edit: I've literally had my kid with me when someone's been injecting in a public space and while it wasn't my favorite moment in life it still wasn't a big deal. He asked me about it and I explained that the man was injecting something like medicine but that it is mostly not good like medicine usually is. And I explained that he probably shouldn't be doing it there but that he probably couldn't think right and no longer understood when it was appropriate to do something like that. My kid understood and as far as I can tell and was not traumatized. Literally he got over something most adults can't and he's 7. Why? Because instead of going into grossed out, full panic, cover your virgin eyes mode I explained it, with words.
    - sdfsafsafas 7y ago
      Do you have kids? Imagine a kid, who has vivid memories of getting vaccinated and anyways knows sharp things are terribly painful, seeing a guy stick a needle in his arm. That's the stuff kid's nightmares are made for. I'll give my kid (as young as two) a bill to give a homeless. I don't want them ever to not see the humanity of any individual. But I do not accept that their innocence is stolen from them!
- rdtwo 7y ago
  [0] you could try, they probably won’t show up or do anything if they do. Speaking as someone who has been chased off the playground in Seattle multiple times this last year by drug users. Btw as a parent in Seattle I always do a sweep for needles as the playground.
  - sdfsafsafas 7y ago
    Thankfully, I left the West Coast after three months. Where I live the police will show up in a jiffy for doing drugs in a playground. What most impacted me was a homeless man that collapsed and everyone walked over him as if he weren't there. What humanity! West Coasters will allow this man to destroy himself with drugs and booze, but will walk over him as he collapses.