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>Meanwhile, the pathogens that prey on grapes have continued to evolve, leading to major pesticide use warning bells went off when reading this: it looks like

by ptah 7y ago

>Meanwhile, the pathogens that prey on grapes have continued to evolve, leading to major pesticide use warning bells went off when reading this: it looks like wine industry as it is now is unsustainable

lisper 7y ago
If you're worried about the wine industry you'd better brace yourself: the entire planet as it is now is unsustainable.
- foldingTable 7y ago
  In some ways, I feel like I'm watching that scene in Schindler's List, where the Nazis are planning parties, and they're making a shopping list of the things the party needs. The really GOOD chocolate, cognac, champagne, sardines! And, oh, try to find nylon stockings... There are definitely some storm clouds on the horizon. Some gigantic supercell of a thunderhead. Maybe it will just blow away, and go somewhere else.
NotPaidToPost 7y ago
Most varieties of plants used for crops, fruits, flowers, etc. have been so heavily selected by us over thousands of years that they are completely artificial and would not survive long in the wild. It does not mean that it isn't sustainable. Just that we are required.
Mediterraneo10 7y ago
It is a pity to see you being voted down, since the use of pesticides in the wine industry (in volumes which exceed some of the other agricultural industries that give consumers pause) has been a matter of fairly broad public concern for a few years now, see e.g. [0][1][2] I feel fortunate that in my country, wines in the production of which pesticides were not used, are readily available and for comparable prices to the other wines. In many markets, however, consumers do not have that choice. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/opinion/pesticides-in-french-wine.html?module=inline https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/opinion/pesticides-in-fre... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/dining/in-france-pesticides-get-in-way-of-natural-wines.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/dining/in-france-pesticid... [2] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/wine/which-countries-wines-have-the-least-amount-of-pesticides/article26474846/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/wine/whic...
- Const-me 7y ago
  Same here in Montenegro. I don't know whether pesticides are used by commercial wineries, but grapes just grows naturally here with very little maintenance, not requiring any pesticides.

by ptah 7y ago

lisper 7y ago

If you're worried about the wine industry you'd better brace yourself: the entire planet as it is now is unsustainable.

foldingTable 7y ago
In some ways, I feel like I'm watching that scene in Schindler's List, where the Nazis are planning parties, and they're making a shopping list of the things the party needs. The really GOOD chocolate, cognac, champagne, sardines! And, oh, try to find nylon stockings... There are definitely some storm clouds on the horizon. Some gigantic supercell of a thunderhead. Maybe it will just blow away, and go somewhere else.

NotPaidToPost 7y ago

Most varieties of plants used for crops, fruits, flowers, etc. have been so heavily selected by us over thousands of years that they are completely artificial and would not survive long in the wild. It does not mean that it isn't sustainable. Just that we are required.

Mediterraneo10 7y ago

It is a pity to see you being voted down, since the use of pesticides in the wine industry (in volumes which exceed some of the other agricultural industries that give consumers pause) has been a matter of fairly broad public concern for a few years now, see e.g. [0][1][2] I feel fortunate that in my country, wines in the production of which pesticides were not used, are readily available and for comparable prices to the other wines. In many markets, however, consumers do not have that choice. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/opinion/pesticides-in-french-wine.html?module=inline https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/opinion/pesticides-in-fre... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/dining/in-france-pesticides-get-in-way-of-natural-wines.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/dining/in-france-pesticid... [2] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/wine/which-countries-wines-have-the-least-amount-of-pesticides/article26474846/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/wine/whic...

Const-me 7y ago
Same here in Montenegro. I don't know whether pesticides are used by commercial wineries, but grapes just grows naturally here with very little maintenance, not requiring any pesticides.