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That's just a tu quoque fallacy, as venture capital being indifferent to making the world a better place does not mean it is ethical to do business with China.

kmlx 7y ago
“does not mean it is ethical to do business with China.” what kind of business?
- mooseburger 7y ago
  If it's up to me, doing any business that aids the Chinese government is unethical.
  - entropea 7y ago
    Why though? You could just make a bunch of whataboutism's that prove the USA has the very same horrors that China does in its own economy. Why the double standard? As someone pointed out above, this seems like xenophobia and not much else. They don't pose a war threat and any war would be initiated by USA.
    - mooseburger 7y ago
      No, there are no current day U.S. equivalents to the Uyghur reeducation camps, the ethnic cleansing of Tibet, and the extreme censorship. What's more, there is no evidence that China is even capable of changing course on these matters, given that their reaction to all these is to deny that they're even real, even suppressing the merest mention of them. Notably, this is not what the US does with its own wrongdoing, as even extreme anti-government sentiment is allowed to be freely expressed.
      - vkou 7y ago
        Starting the Iraq War, starting the (Still on-going, in case anyone forgot) Libyan Civil War, fanning the flames of the Syrian Civil War are all crimes against humanity, with a pretty horrendous body count. Is it internal repression? No, of course not. Did it add misery, death, and suffering to the world on an industrial scale? It absolutely did. And, notice that how regardless of whether team Red, or team Blue get elected, the ship seems to be unable to change course on those matters. Hell, a decade later, three quarters of the ship's steering committee don't even consider that course to be a mistake. Just because we're a representative democracy, of sorts, doesn't mean that we are capable of course-correcting.
        danbolt 7y ago
        Just because we're incapable of course-correcting, doesn't mean we can't express our discontent and have a discourse about it.
      - _tik_ 7y ago
        US detention camp https://time.com/5605120/trump-migrant-children-fort-still/ https://time.com/5605120/trump-migrant-children-fort-still/ US genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_19...
  - erklik 7y ago
    Hopefully you would say the same about the Saudi's who regularly behead people in public, supress journalism and of course, have we forgotten Khashoggi. Similary the American Military has done crimes against humanity. Bush should have been convicted of war crimes considering he ordered the military to ignore the geneva convention, Remember that Abu Gharib's runners' were given a demotion for committing war crimes and America has laws to prevent their soldiers being punished for war crimes. Have a read of the wikipedia page on Bagram Torture and Prisoner Abuse. The autopsies of the prisoners showed that their legs were in a condition to that similar of someone run over by a bus, they were reportedly chained to the ceiling. However, the worst punishment to anyone involved in the torture of those prisoners is of 5months prison time.[1] Also, the American Military denies the existence of a black jail at Bagram but BBC confirmed in 2010 that such a place still exists with convicts still contained in the prison. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagram_torture_and_prisoner_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagram_torture_and_prisoner_ab...

kmlx 7y ago

“does not mean it is ethical to do business with China.” what kind of business?

mooseburger 7y ago
If it's up to me, doing any business that aids the Chinese government is unethical.
- entropea 7y ago
  Why though? You could just make a bunch of whataboutism's that prove the USA has the very same horrors that China does in its own economy. Why the double standard? As someone pointed out above, this seems like xenophobia and not much else. They don't pose a war threat and any war would be initiated by USA.
  - mooseburger 7y ago
    No, there are no current day U.S. equivalents to the Uyghur reeducation camps, the ethnic cleansing of Tibet, and the extreme censorship. What's more, there is no evidence that China is even capable of changing course on these matters, given that their reaction to all these is to deny that they're even real, even suppressing the merest mention of them. Notably, this is not what the US does with its own wrongdoing, as even extreme anti-government sentiment is allowed to be freely expressed.
    - vkou 7y ago
      Starting the Iraq War, starting the (Still on-going, in case anyone forgot) Libyan Civil War, fanning the flames of the Syrian Civil War are all crimes against humanity, with a pretty horrendous body count. Is it internal repression? No, of course not. Did it add misery, death, and suffering to the world on an industrial scale? It absolutely did. And, notice that how regardless of whether team Red, or team Blue get elected, the ship seems to be unable to change course on those matters. Hell, a decade later, three quarters of the ship's steering committee don't even consider that course to be a mistake. Just because we're a representative democracy, of sorts, doesn't mean that we are capable of course-correcting.
      - danbolt 7y ago
        Just because we're incapable of course-correcting, doesn't mean we can't express our discontent and have a discourse about it.
    - _tik_ 7y ago
      US detention camp https://time.com/5605120/trump-migrant-children-fort-still/ https://time.com/5605120/trump-migrant-children-fort-still/ US genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_19...
- erklik 7y ago
  Hopefully you would say the same about the Saudi's who regularly behead people in public, supress journalism and of course, have we forgotten Khashoggi. Similary the American Military has done crimes against humanity. Bush should have been convicted of war crimes considering he ordered the military to ignore the geneva convention, Remember that Abu Gharib's runners' were given a demotion for committing war crimes and America has laws to prevent their soldiers being punished for war crimes. Have a read of the wikipedia page on Bagram Torture and Prisoner Abuse. The autopsies of the prisoners showed that their legs were in a condition to that similar of someone run over by a bus, they were reportedly chained to the ceiling. However, the worst punishment to anyone involved in the torture of those prisoners is of 5months prison time.[1] Also, the American Military denies the existence of a black jail at Bagram but BBC confirmed in 2010 that such a place still exists with convicts still contained in the prison. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagram_torture_and_prisoner_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagram_torture_and_prisoner_ab...