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Again, I'm not arguing that. I'm saying, Google should let us choose. If I want to download 4MB of bloat, let me. I don't like them making the choice for me tha

Again, I'm not arguing that. I'm saying, Google should let us choose. If I want to download 4MB of bloat, let me. I don't like them making the choice for me that AMP is "the best" option. What you want, isn't what I want always, and that's my point. It is user hostile/a dark pattern for Google to force AMP on me, with no way to disable it.

apexalpha 7y ago
In which way is Google forcing you to AMP? I've never encountered a website that didn't also have a not-AMP version.
- bluetidepro 7y ago
  It's forcing me to go through AMP, that's what I'm saying. And in the case of the parent OG article this is all on, that is currently broken. Thus, forcing me to be stuck on AMP, with no way to bypass it. That's why it needs a setting to disable it entirely. I don't want to have to go through a website to get to the one I wanted. I don't need the AMP middleman. You are completely not understanding my point of having the OPTION to disable it, so users who don't want to deal with AMP at all (myself, and many others) can have that ability.
  - privateSFacct 7y ago
    Can’t you still go to regular pages? I’ve never been forced to go to AMP pages. But I like them - people forget the full screen videos that popped up pre-AMP. Seriously - all this complaining you can’t load your bloatware pages is weird. AMP wouldn’t even be a thing if devs hadn’t trashed their own websites.
    - jeltz 7y ago
      No. You either have to switch to Firefox or use DDG to avoid AMP. I switched to Firefox.
- tyingq 7y ago
  By not having a config item for their search to return the real url. And, as in the main story, the AMP page bricking the link to the real url.
  - dcbadacd 7y ago
    They're working on signed exchanges, you'll soon see the "real URL" of the content.
    - tyingq 7y ago
      On Chrome only. While still retaining mandatory Google controlled JavaScript in the page (which is what's broken in this story). Not sure why real url is in airquotes. It's an actual issue.
      - qtplatypus 7y ago
        So on chrome you will have the option of getting to the real url, on firefox and other browsers you can use plugins.
        tyingq 7y ago
        And hope Google hasn't borked up their js again, sure. Not sure there's an extension API that could make signed exchanges work either.
    - JoshMnem 7y ago
      Signed exchanges are a terrible idea. They take control away from publishers and let large sites (AMP caches) control small sites. Google punishes web publishers with a traffic drop unless they allow Google to serve their websites from Google's servers and include Google's JavaScript. AMP, signed exchanges, and portals can't seriously be considered real standards.
      - dcbadacd 7y ago
        Which publishers is the control taken away? You're claiming news outlets have to be super afraid of punishment if they don't do AMP. That's empirically false, many news outlets dominate (or share the dominance) markets without doing any AMP. I don't necessarily like AMP, but claiming it's the (paraphrased) "worst thing after the black plague" is also dishonest, working on alternative solutions would be the right thing to do here.

apexalpha 7y ago

In which way is Google forcing you to AMP? I've never encountered a website that didn't also have a not-AMP version.

bluetidepro 7y ago
It's forcing me to go through AMP, that's what I'm saying. And in the case of the parent OG article this is all on, that is currently broken. Thus, forcing me to be stuck on AMP, with no way to bypass it. That's why it needs a setting to disable it entirely. I don't want to have to go through a website to get to the one I wanted. I don't need the AMP middleman. You are completely not understanding my point of having the OPTION to disable it, so users who don't want to deal with AMP at all (myself, and many others) can have that ability.
- privateSFacct 7y ago
  Can’t you still go to regular pages? I’ve never been forced to go to AMP pages. But I like them - people forget the full screen videos that popped up pre-AMP. Seriously - all this complaining you can’t load your bloatware pages is weird. AMP wouldn’t even be a thing if devs hadn’t trashed their own websites.
  - jeltz 7y ago
    No. You either have to switch to Firefox or use DDG to avoid AMP. I switched to Firefox.
tyingq 7y ago
By not having a config item for their search to return the real url. And, as in the main story, the AMP page bricking the link to the real url.
- dcbadacd 7y ago
  They're working on signed exchanges, you'll soon see the "real URL" of the content.
  - tyingq 7y ago
    On Chrome only. While still retaining mandatory Google controlled JavaScript in the page (which is what's broken in this story). Not sure why real url is in airquotes. It's an actual issue.
    - qtplatypus 7y ago
      So on chrome you will have the option of getting to the real url, on firefox and other browsers you can use plugins.
      - tyingq 7y ago
        And hope Google hasn't borked up their js again, sure. Not sure there's an extension API that could make signed exchanges work either.
  - JoshMnem 7y ago
    Signed exchanges are a terrible idea. They take control away from publishers and let large sites (AMP caches) control small sites. Google punishes web publishers with a traffic drop unless they allow Google to serve their websites from Google's servers and include Google's JavaScript. AMP, signed exchanges, and portals can't seriously be considered real standards.
    - dcbadacd 7y ago
      Which publishers is the control taken away? You're claiming news outlets have to be super afraid of punishment if they don't do AMP. That's empirically false, many news outlets dominate (or share the dominance) markets without doing any AMP. I don't necessarily like AMP, but claiming it's the (paraphrased) "worst thing after the black plague" is also dishonest, working on alternative solutions would be the right thing to do here.