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AMP should be the first stop on the federal government's antitrust investigation. The sheer unfairness of being granted search priority if you hand over your co

by koboll 7y ago

AMP should be the first stop on the federal government's antitrust investigation. The sheer unfairness of being granted search priority if you hand over your content to Google is the pinnacle of leveraging monopoly power to gain power in another industry.

GavinMcG 7y ago
What "power in another industry" is being gained?
- rendall 7y ago
  How is this confusing? What's not clear to you?
  - anonymousab 7y ago
    The 'other industry' part. AMP clearly expands and entrenches their power in parts of the web they are already in, but it's unclear what other or newer industry it is supposedly helping them dominate.
    - ninth_ant 7y ago
      > but it's unclear what other or newer industry it is supposedly helping them dominate. The entire web?
      - UweSchmidt 7y ago
        Indeed. They control the content, and the technology: It could become technically impossible to provide new alternatives for ads, privacy, or any other future use case or interaction.
        joshuamorton 7y ago
        How does google control the content? Signed exchanges, for example, give the exchange controller less control over content than a CDN.
  - GavinMcG 7y ago
    The "power in another industry" part. What part of that wasn't clear to you? Which market is Google unfairly benefiting/profiting in, by leveraging its market share in search?
    - mattmanser 7y ago
      Browsers, mobile operating systems, ad networks, comparison sites, video hosting sites, image search, map services, etc., etc., etc. All of Google myriad of properties benefit from being able to limit competitors web page size, limit their technology use, restrict advertising and gating them behind your own servers. Plus on top, Google doesn't have to do any of that shit themselves and can gleefully put themselves at the top of every search (and are doing with an ever expanding array of search terms). As well as increasing the cost of developing a site to compete with any of Google's myriad properties, by having to support HTML and Google's proprietary AMP, that they're pretending is an open standard but is completely under their control.
      - eclipxe 7y ago
        >Google doesn't have to do any of that shit themselves and can gleefully put themselves at the top of every search (and are doing with an ever expanding array of search terms). Why shouldn't a company be able to decide what they feature on their search results and how they rank things? If every result was a Google owned site, so what? Nothing is stopping you from using a different search engine.
        sixstringtheory 7y ago
        > Nothing is stopping you from using a different search engine. AMP links are everywhere now, not just Google search results. Thank goodness for the bot on Reddit that posts replies with the actual link, for any AMP links that are posted.
        mattmanser 7y ago
        Because it's using your domination in one market to destroy competitors in another, it's illegal. Hence the big fines that google is starting to get hit with, with some regularity.
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by koboll 7y ago

GavinMcG 7y ago

What "power in another industry" is being gained?

rendall 7y ago
How is this confusing? What's not clear to you?
- anonymousab 7y ago
  The 'other industry' part. AMP clearly expands and entrenches their power in parts of the web they are already in, but it's unclear what other or newer industry it is supposedly helping them dominate.
  - ninth_ant 7y ago
    > but it's unclear what other or newer industry it is supposedly helping them dominate. The entire web?
    - UweSchmidt 7y ago
      Indeed. They control the content, and the technology: It could become technically impossible to provide new alternatives for ads, privacy, or any other future use case or interaction.
      - joshuamorton 7y ago
        How does google control the content? Signed exchanges, for example, give the exchange controller less control over content than a CDN.
- GavinMcG 7y ago
  The "power in another industry" part. What part of that wasn't clear to you? Which market is Google unfairly benefiting/profiting in, by leveraging its market share in search?
  - mattmanser 7y ago
    Browsers, mobile operating systems, ad networks, comparison sites, video hosting sites, image search, map services, etc., etc., etc. All of Google myriad of properties benefit from being able to limit competitors web page size, limit their technology use, restrict advertising and gating them behind your own servers. Plus on top, Google doesn't have to do any of that shit themselves and can gleefully put themselves at the top of every search (and are doing with an ever expanding array of search terms). As well as increasing the cost of developing a site to compete with any of Google's myriad properties, by having to support HTML and Google's proprietary AMP, that they're pretending is an open standard but is completely under their control.
    - eclipxe 7y ago
      >Google doesn't have to do any of that shit themselves and can gleefully put themselves at the top of every search (and are doing with an ever expanding array of search terms). Why shouldn't a company be able to decide what they feature on their search results and how they rank things? If every result was a Google owned site, so what? Nothing is stopping you from using a different search engine.
      - sixstringtheory 7y ago
        > Nothing is stopping you from using a different search engine. AMP links are everywhere now, not just Google search results. Thank goodness for the bot on Reddit that posts replies with the actual link, for any AMP links that are posted.
      - mattmanser 7y ago
        Because it's using your domination in one market to destroy competitors in another, it's illegal. Hence the big fines that google is starting to get hit with, with some regularity.

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