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I cannot say enough praises of Troy and HIBP. But it is a risky operation. I understand HIBP derives its value from grey-ish hats sharing with Troy any leaked
by cm2187 7y ago
I cannot say enough praises of Troy and HIBP. But it is a risky operation.
I understand HIBP derives its value from grey-ish hats sharing with Troy any leaked dataset they find because they know him or because of his reputation.
If he leaves, it is not clear to me that his trust and reputation will stay behind with the company running HIBP. The minute HIBP ceases to be the central place for these new datasets to be shared, it ceases to be of any practical use.
- GordonS 7y agoSomething to keep in mind is that the datasets being shared with Troy are almost all already available on underground forums, some openly, some for sale.
- jfdhu 7y agoAnd whilst its impossible to police effectively the datasets on various forums, it seems KPMG and Troy Hunt are just not aware of the fact that GDPR exists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... Its quite interesting putting in various peoples email addresses to see what sites they are linked to. Maybe once he has made some money out of it, a GDPR claim and financial settlement can be made as he's made no steps to control the data privacy of Europeans.
- paublyrne 7y agoDoes this really fall foul of GDPR? I would have guessed that once your data is in the wild, there is nothing in GDPR that applies. GDPR puts certain responsibilities on groups you give your data to treat that data in certain ways in terms of who it is shared with, which would not seem to apply to someone offering a lookup of an in the wild dataset. I'm curious if my naive understanding of this is wrong.
- addicted 7y agoI’m not sure how GDPR applies to HIBP. GDPR is all about data that is shared by the user. But HIBP is about data that hasn’t been shared by a user, but rather, is available publicly. It’s a grey area at the very least.
- DanBC 7y ago> GDPR is all about data that is shared by the user. No it isn't. It covers my data no matter how you got it, with a few exceptions. EDIT: Please feel free to point to the legislation showing that GDPR only applies to data supplied by the subject.
- cameronbrown 7y agoYou're not wrong, but purely from a practical standpoint, your data is out there and without a service like this to hold these companies to account, they could cover things up/downplay the situation/be too incompetent to know they've leaked data. An operation like this levels the playing field and lets us collectively hold companies to their responsibilities.
- jfdhu 7y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation#Scope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... "The regulation applies if the data controller (an organisation that collects data from EU residents), or processor (an organisation that processes data on behalf of a data controller like cloud service providers), or the data subject (person) is based in the EU. Under certain circumstances,[2] the regulation also applies to organisations based outside the EU if they collect or process personal data of individuals located inside the EU. The regulation does not apply to the processing of data by a person for a "purely personal or household activity and thus with no connection to a professional or commercial activity." (Recital 18) " The EU laws apply to people and entities outside of the EU, he is not immune from these EU laws because he is affecting the lives of every European who has an email address in this website.
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- DanBC 7y ago> Maybe once he has made some money out of it, a GDPR claim and financial settlement Do you think GDPR fines go to the person, and not the regulator?
- M2Ys4U 7y agoPeople can sue (Article 79) and claim compensation for actual damages suffered (Article 82) due to a violation of the GDPR. Administrative fines levied by a supervisory authority generally don't go to people who have had their personal data processed illegally, though.
- dumpsterdiver 7y agoThey would just get hit back with tariffs, no problem. If I were European I wouldn't want to be playing money games with America.
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- dumpsterdiver 7y agoIt looks like he's based in Australia, so Europeans wouldn't have to worry too much about having tariffs rained down upon them in retribution. I say go for it.
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- jameshart 7y agoYes, you're right, I'm sure that the guy who is at the forefront of campaigning about personal data protection, has been running this service for years, has advised governments on privacy breach regulation, and has contracts to help european governments monitor their domains for breaches, has no idea whatsoever about the most prominent personal data regulation regime in the world. Oh wait: https://www.troyhunt.com/free-course-the-gdpr-attack-plan/ https://www.troyhunt.com/free-course-the-gdpr-attack-plan/ https://www.troyhunt.com/new-pluralsight-course-the-state-of-gdpr-common-questions-and-misperceptions/ https://www.troyhunt.com/new-pluralsight-course-the-state-of... https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/1017679101698572295 https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/1017679101698572295
- jfdhu 7y agoAuthorities now handling it, out of my hands. I dont want my details appearing on that website so anyone who knows me can put my email addresses (past and present) to see what hacked sites or databases its appeared on.
- slips 7y agoThat's the whole point. You can see the data that criminals are using and seeing. Don't blame the guy telling you about it.
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- isoos 7y agoI keep hearing about this, but every time without any reference. Where and how can one visit such forums?
- syn0byte 7y agoI don't know any off the top of my head (no, really.) but I'd bet searching DDG for "Hidden Wiki" and using tor hidden services would get you in the right direction, and probably put on a watch list or two.
- nyxxie 7y agoRaidforums and similar have them. You occasionally find them on reddit and small security blogs. I collect data breaches, and usually by the time you hear about one on HIBP it’s making the rounds on a variety of forums. Only on a few occasions has Troy actually gotten anything exclusive.
- heipei 7y agoI share your concern. This is similar to many problems in the InfoSec community which can not simply be solved by a corporation by throwing money at them but instead require long-term cultivation of contacts, trust and expertise by a few / single individuals, something that money can't buy.
- jshowa3 7y agoYet Troy uses all these companies to formulate his entire operation. What do you think he uses to verify whether the pastebin files are malicious or not? You think he wrote his own malware detection software?
- hkjayakumar 7y ago> I'll remain a part of HIBP. I fully intend to be part of the acquisition, that is some company gets me along with the project. HIBP's brand is intrinsically tied to mine and at present, it needs me to go along with it. He's made it pretty clear in the blog post that he intends to stay on and has acknowledged that his reputation plays an important part in making HIBP what it is.
- intended 7y agoWhich matters little, because it matters who the ultimate boss is.
- EugeneOZ 7y agoOne this is to trust a person. Absolutely another - trust whole company where this person works.
- runjake 7y agoIt's common for a founder to say this. It's extremely rare for a founder to actually stay aboard.