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What would happen to a couple of Muslims burning a US flag in some parts of the US? I won't jump straight to murder, but I'll say physical violence would be hig
by seventhtiger 7y ago
What would happen to a couple of Muslims burning a US flag in some parts of the US? I won't jump straight to murder, but I'll say physical violence would be highly likely.
This is not whataboutism. I'm not saying it's ok because it happens elsewhere. I'm just arguing against the portrayal of it as a uniquely Muslim problem. I think we would be able to find some icon or symbol in every culture which some subset of people consider murder a valid reaction to disrespect of that symbol.
- jlawson 7y agoI think this just shows you believe some ugly stereotypes about 'some parts of the US'. Your example is wholly imaginary, where Muslims murdering people for mocking or criticizing their religion has many many examples in modern and old times. Theo van Gogh got his head cut off. Ayaan Hirsi Ali lives in hiding with armed guards. So do Robert Spencer and Salman Rushdie. Charlie Hebdo staffers slaughtered. Draw Mohammed contests in Texas attacked by armed terrorists. And on and on. And this stuff isn't happening in rural Pakistan. It happens in places with very few Muslims. They travel to Connor these crimes. In your analogy it would be like a hillbilly southerner traveling to Morocco to mutilate someone who insulted George Washington. It would be like that happening consistently over and over for decades. There's no comparison. Islam is unique in this.
- seventhtiger 7y agoI didn't have specific parts of the US or stereotypes in mind. It is well documented that hate crimes against Muslims happen in the US including murder. This is well documented. It's not a stretch to think a hate crime would happen in response to a flag burning, since they already happen unprovoked.
- Chris2048 7y agoWhat is the cause of those crimes? You are switching from incidents of violence arising entirely from some specific incident, to those cause by sentiment, e.g. 9/11 caused an increase in anti-Muslim violence.
- seventhtiger 7y agoI don't see the difference between incident and sentiment and why 9/11 isn't an incident.
- Chris2048 7y agoNo one walked up to a Muslim that was otherwise non-combative with them, and did a 9/11 in front of them to start a fight.
- seventhtiger 7y agoBut over the past 100 years their homelands have been colonized, used as proxies, puppeteered, invaded, and bombed. Isn't that a sentiment?
- Chris2048 7y agoHow does that relate to your original comments?
- seventhtiger 7y agoIt relates because you said this distinguishes Charlie Hebdo from killing Muslims burning a flag. If they all have negative sentiment, and they all commit hate crime unprovoked, or provoked by disrespect to culture and icons, then the problem is not unique to one of them. There are non-Muslim states that will execute people for disrespectful depictions, so I can't see how this is a uniquely Muslim problem.
- Chris2048 7y agodisrespect to culture and icons is not the same thing for "burning a flag in front of someone" vs "drawing Hebdo cartoon last month".
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