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I disagree with every sylable in this comment. Scheme is beautiful. Clojure is promising. The JVM is a fine platform, and Java itself is a decent language for

by mahmud 16y ago

I disagree with every sylable in this comment. Scheme is beautiful. Clojure is promising. The JVM is a fine platform, and Java itself is a decent language for the experienced engineer. You don't need Linux to hack in Common Lisp; I have used win32 for my Lisp apps in the last 10 years. You don't need to make a "modest" salary; I waited tables for $6/hr, and I made six figures .. neither changed my programming ability, Lisp or otherwise, I am still the same kludgemeister.

bugmenot 16y ago
Care to elaborate on your w32 environment ? I started "Land of Lisp" as a newbie programmer, but there is no chapter on how to setup a decent "IDE". Coding all in the Clisp REPL is not very fun, especially when you have to shutdown your computer every now and then. I tried LispIDE but for some reason I can't send the code to the REPL (I just link the lisp path to the clisp.exe, but nothing happens). I went to the #lisp channel on Freenode and they all suggested emacs and slime, but I don't want to shift my focus from learning lisp to learning that big and powerful text editor, I don't want power right now, I just want simplicity to get started, being able to save some code in a txt file and send it to the REPL. I'd appreciate your advice on setting up a simple environment to get started. I installed Ubuntu yesterday so I can dual boot with w7 if that can help :)
ohyes 16y ago
When did I imply otherwise? I had no idea that I had such ability to be so offensive in things that I neither typed, said, or spake. Apparently differing opinions are meant to be beaten out through karmic justice. It also seems that you agree with my assertions that scheme is beautiful and Clojure is promising but not there yet. So you don't disagree with every syllable of it, at least technically. So wtf with the hostility? Also, this post was entirely based on my experience. Keyword: MINE. I make a modest salary. That's the truth. $60,000 is not rolling in dough. Why would you even take issue with that? I don't get it.
- mahmud 16y ago
  Thus far, we learned about your sexual prowess, your tastes in women and your salary. Yet not a single actionable insight or intelligence on Lisp: the subject matter of this thread.
  - ohyes 16y ago
    You haven't disagreed with me in a reasonable way. I make a flippant remark about fabled 'lisp enlightenment' and it becomes the entirety of my post? I gave a (reasonable) guide to my experience with lisp, state that I like REAL macros, say pretty much the same thing that you repeated about scheme (and Clojure), give a brief setup guide to emacs/slime, and say to program a lot (because programming a lot is the only thing that makes you good). AND SOMEHOW I HAVE ONLY TOLD YOU ABOUT MY DICK AND MY SALARY? Whatever, I'm being trolled. Good day, sir.
macnod 16y ago
I haven't used Windows in years. But I used it for a long, long time at work. And I became more proficient with Windows after I learned Linux. You don't need Linux for anything, but learning it can make you a better programmer.

by mahmud 16y ago

bugmenot 16y ago

Care to elaborate on your w32 environment ? I started "Land of Lisp" as a newbie programmer, but there is no chapter on how to setup a decent "IDE". Coding all in the Clisp REPL is not very fun, especially when you have to shutdown your computer every now and then. I tried LispIDE but for some reason I can't send the code to the REPL (I just link the lisp path to the clisp.exe, but nothing happens). I went to the #lisp channel on Freenode and they all suggested emacs and slime, but I don't want to shift my focus from learning lisp to learning that big and powerful text editor, I don't want power right now, I just want simplicity to get started, being able to save some code in a txt file and send it to the REPL. I'd appreciate your advice on setting up a simple environment to get started. I installed Ubuntu yesterday so I can dual boot with w7 if that can help :)

ohyes 16y ago

When did I imply otherwise? I had no idea that I had such ability to be so offensive in things that I neither typed, said, or spake. Apparently differing opinions are meant to be beaten out through karmic justice. It also seems that you agree with my assertions that scheme is beautiful and Clojure is promising but not there yet. So you don't disagree with every syllable of it, at least technically. So wtf with the hostility? Also, this post was entirely based on my experience. Keyword: MINE. I make a modest salary. That's the truth. $60,000 is not rolling in dough. Why would you even take issue with that? I don't get it.

mahmud 16y ago
Thus far, we learned about your sexual prowess, your tastes in women and your salary. Yet not a single actionable insight or intelligence on Lisp: the subject matter of this thread.
- ohyes 16y ago
  You haven't disagreed with me in a reasonable way. I make a flippant remark about fabled 'lisp enlightenment' and it becomes the entirety of my post? I gave a (reasonable) guide to my experience with lisp, state that I like REAL macros, say pretty much the same thing that you repeated about scheme (and Clojure), give a brief setup guide to emacs/slime, and say to program a lot (because programming a lot is the only thing that makes you good). AND SOMEHOW I HAVE ONLY TOLD YOU ABOUT MY DICK AND MY SALARY? Whatever, I'm being trolled. Good day, sir.

macnod 16y ago

I haven't used Windows in years. But I used it for a long, long time at work. And I became more proficient with Windows after I learned Linux. You don't need Linux for anything, but learning it can make you a better programmer.