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What’s the basis for this claim? Where do Ross Douthat and David Brooks fit in your model?

nailer 7y ago
This article: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1137539862293372928 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1137539862293372928 Read the follow up tweets for some more context. I'm a liberal, and happen to watch Ben Shapiro (an Othodox Jewish lawyer who records a conservative podcast) and follow Lauren Southern (the filmmaker who looks at people smuggling and illegal immigration, who directed the film 'Borderless') - both are mentioned in the 'online radicalisation' piece above. Other fairly boring, obviously non-alt-right sources mentioned in the piece are Milton Friedman (who won a Nobel Prize for Economics) and Jordan Peterson. Those are all very obviously non-alt-right, but included in what would seem to be a rather shady attempt to smear non-leftist sources. I haven't heard of the people you mention.
- messick 7y ago
  >I'm a liberal, and happen to watch Ben Shapiro (an Othodox Jewish man who does a conservative podcast) Yeah, this is what we call an "oxymoron".
  - nailer 7y ago
    I shouldn't take the bait, but in case you're being serious: part of being liberal means that I disagree with left-leaning violence and terrorism as much as I do right-leaning violence and terrorism. Having a lawyer give commentary on particularly legal news (the Mueller Report, state vs federal law, the role of the legislative and executive branches, etc) is a refreshing change from journalists and politicians who don't have legal knowledge. I disagree with Shapiro on many things including abortion law, and do not believe in the supernatural, but it's also good having my beliefs be challenged. I recommend you try it yourself sometime. You might learn something.
- fwip 7y ago
  If you think Ben Shapiro, Lauren Southern and Jordan Peterson represent responsible and respectable conservative thinking, I don't really know where to start. Whether or not they like being identified as part of the alt-right or if they prefer to pretend to be intellectual free thinkers doesn't really matter. If you walk like a misogynist, talk like a white supremacist, and get specifically praised by the alt-right for radicalizing people to their cause - you just might be a bad person.
- moorhosj 7y ago
  One article, written by one NYT writer is the basis for your belief that: "The NYT also deliberately blurs the lines between any kind of non-leftist thinking and 'alt right' - a term created by Richard Spencer, a white nationalist who wants to create a white ethnostate which describes far right hate groups." It seems like a bit of a stretch. In the bar chart, they explicitly call out that the guy started watching a bunch of left-wing channels on YouTube. It's so odd that the same people who mock "leftists" for being "snowflakes" about labels and such are the first ones to whine about being labeled. Seems like an overreaction to a bad article.
- ummonk 7y ago
  Milton Friedman and Jordan Peterson are not, but Lauren Southern and Ben Shapiro are both alt-right.
  - jlawson 7y ago
    Ben Shapiro... The Orthodox Jewish Nazi? This didn't pass the laugh test.
    - moorhosj 7y ago
      Are you suggesting that alt-right is analogous to Nazi or that a Jewish person couldn't be a Nazi? Either way, what does it have to do with Ben Shapiro's actual beliefs?

This article: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1137539862293372928 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1137539862293372928 Read the follow up tweets for some more context. I'm a liberal, and happen to watch Ben Shapiro (an Othodox Jewish lawyer who records a conservative podcast) and follow Lauren Southern (the filmmaker who looks at people smuggling and illegal immigration, who directed the film 'Borderless') - both are mentioned in the 'online radicalisation' piece above. Other fairly boring, obviously non-alt-right sources mentioned in the piece are Milton Friedman (who won a Nobel Prize for Economics) and Jordan Peterson. Those are all very obviously non-alt-right, but included in what would seem to be a rather shady attempt to smear non-leftist sources. I haven't heard of the people you mention.

messick 7y ago
>I'm a liberal, and happen to watch Ben Shapiro (an Othodox Jewish man who does a conservative podcast) Yeah, this is what we call an "oxymoron".
- nailer 7y ago
  I shouldn't take the bait, but in case you're being serious: part of being liberal means that I disagree with left-leaning violence and terrorism as much as I do right-leaning violence and terrorism. Having a lawyer give commentary on particularly legal news (the Mueller Report, state vs federal law, the role of the legislative and executive branches, etc) is a refreshing change from journalists and politicians who don't have legal knowledge. I disagree with Shapiro on many things including abortion law, and do not believe in the supernatural, but it's also good having my beliefs be challenged. I recommend you try it yourself sometime. You might learn something.
fwip 7y ago
If you think Ben Shapiro, Lauren Southern and Jordan Peterson represent responsible and respectable conservative thinking, I don't really know where to start. Whether or not they like being identified as part of the alt-right or if they prefer to pretend to be intellectual free thinkers doesn't really matter. If you walk like a misogynist, talk like a white supremacist, and get specifically praised by the alt-right for radicalizing people to their cause - you just might be a bad person.
moorhosj 7y ago
One article, written by one NYT writer is the basis for your belief that: "The NYT also deliberately blurs the lines between any kind of non-leftist thinking and 'alt right' - a term created by Richard Spencer, a white nationalist who wants to create a white ethnostate which describes far right hate groups." It seems like a bit of a stretch. In the bar chart, they explicitly call out that the guy started watching a bunch of left-wing channels on YouTube. It's so odd that the same people who mock "leftists" for being "snowflakes" about labels and such are the first ones to whine about being labeled. Seems like an overreaction to a bad article.
ummonk 7y ago
Milton Friedman and Jordan Peterson are not, but Lauren Southern and Ben Shapiro are both alt-right.
- jlawson 7y ago
  Ben Shapiro... The Orthodox Jewish Nazi? This didn't pass the laugh test.
  - moorhosj 7y ago
    Are you suggesting that alt-right is analogous to Nazi or that a Jewish person couldn't be a Nazi? Either way, what does it have to do with Ben Shapiro's actual beliefs?