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This is a very oddly positioned story. The Nissan Leaf "lift[ed] Norway's electric car sales to record market share" before Tesla's Model 3 surpassed the Leaf i

This is a very oddly positioned story. The Nissan Leaf "lift[ed] Norway's electric car sales to record market share" before Tesla's Model 3 surpassed the Leaf in sales. The article seems to be making out that Tesla have been the cause of the record EV sales in Norway. In actuality, Tesla have recently become the most popular EV there, but EV sales were record-breaking before that.

zaroth 7y ago
Tesla is the cause of the current record sales of EVs in Norway, per TFA; > In 2018, Norway’s fully electric car sales rose to a record 31.2 percent market share from 20.8 percent in 2017, far ahead of any other nation, and buyers had to wait as producers struggled to keep up with demand. > The surge of electric cars to a 58.4 percent market share in March came as Tesla ramped up delivery of its mid-sized Model 3... 30% -> 60% is no small feat, and is due to the Model 3 availability, and the more widely accessible price point of TM3. IMO the Leaf is a compromise car you choose in order to get an EV, whereas the TM3 is a better car in almost every way than anything else on the market, which also happens to be EV. Although many of its advantages are made possible by being EV, they are not inherent advantages of being EV. That is to say, being EV is necessary but not sufficient to built a car with the myriad advances of the TM3.
- shereadsthenews 7y ago
  Tesla performs this stunt constantly. What they do is they don't deliver any cars for months at a time, whether because they can't or choose not to I don't know. Then they dump all the backorders on some small nation all at once and put out a press release about how they are the best-selling car in that place because they recognized a year of sales in a single month.
  - zaroth 7y ago
    March was crazy - over 5,000 TM3s registered. Versus 705 TM3 registrations in May, 424 so far in June. YTD is ~8,000 TM3 vs 3,700 Leaf.
    - shereadsthenews 7y ago
      Yes that's true, I should have said that they begin delivering cars after a long time of booking orders. Look at the number of Tesla Model 3s that were registered in various countries prior to March 2019.
      - zaroth 7y ago
        The most interesting thing to watch will be how sales progress over the first full year of deliveries in each market. Obviously the first quarter will be a rush of deliveries in each market as the backlog clears. Then there will be a trough where everyone who was an early adopter has got theirs and the late majority starts to consider all these TM3s they see scooting around. How quickly Tesla recovers from the trough and how high the long term market share will go is absolutely the Billion dollar question. Reportedly strong demand this quarter in North America points to the TM3 potentially having broad appeal beyond the EV zealots, but it’s very much too early to tell. If you know the answer to this question, it’s the difference between TSLA at $10 and TSLA at $500. I have my own opinion, and I put some money on it. But I’m a TM3 owner, I absolutely adore the machine, and I think it’s 5 years ahead of any competition and is going to absolutely clean up as people realize it’s sensational to drive, it doesn’t actually cost $80k (can’t tell you how many people I’ve talk to that think that) and in particular the long term TCO is actually downright economical.
    - semi-extrinsic 7y ago
      Total TM3 registrations for 2019 is 7973, which is exactly GPs point. There was a big rush of deliveries in March. For May, the Volkswagen e-Golf outsold the TM3 by 25%.
      - zaroth 7y ago
        Which is playing the same Beta game. Would it be fair to just go by the YTD then?
        Xylakant 7y ago
  - jkim1258 7y ago
    Could it also be a simple result of the cars coming in a giant ship all at once? I'm not sure how many cars fit in one of those ships, but I'd guess quite a few..
- semi-extrinsic 7y ago
  Meh, these monthly fluctuations are dominated by noise, especially when expressed as "percentage of total sales". You get both the variation in EV sales and in ICE sales influencing. Look at the trends in the absolute numbers over time: https://elbilstatistikk.no/ https://elbilstatistikk.no/
  - zaroth 7y ago
    Great link, thanks! Do they have monthly stats for each car in a single table? Can’t find it in mobile. Is there a YTD Total EV vs Total ICE?
    - jsight 7y ago
      It looks like total yearly sales for all types in Norway is ~150k/year. 6 months into the year, electric is at ~33k total. However you look at it, this is a tiny market.
- Xylakant 7y ago
  I’d be generally cautious with month-to-month stats. Tesla has many preorders and only started really fulfilling the european ones in March. So hey could easily have gamed the stats by shifting many February sales to March.
- throwayEngineer 7y ago
  >IMO the Leaf is a compromise car you choose in order to get an EV, whereas the TM3 is a better car in almost every way than anything else on the market, This is definitely your opinion. Experts agree that Tesla is a low quality luxury vehicle. Fans love it, but this is a known phenomenon with Jeep owners too. Jeep owners will forgive problems where other users would not.
  - w8vY7ER 7y ago
    Ah, yes, experts.
    - navigatesol 7y ago
      Yes, experts who have driven many cars, from many manufacturers at many price points over many years. Or you can go with the anonymous HackerNews account.
      - deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
      - throwayEngineer 7y ago
        Do you think that person is a Tesla Marketing account? They also posted about spacex
        dang 7y ago
        This breaks the site guidelines. Please read them and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - ryanlol 7y ago
      Substitute “experts” with “anyone who has sat in a high end Audi, BMW or Mercedes” Teslas are fun to drive but awful to sit in.
heavenlyhash 7y ago
Oslo resident here. Indeed. Look also to: - the near-universality of charger stations on streets, both in residential and commercial districts; - the huge tax subsidies for buying and owning electric vehicles; - the low cost of (clean, incidentally) electricity (I believe most of the charger posts in the city are free, though I should note I don't drive myself); - the substantial tarrifs and fees for poluting vehicles in the city center areas (we're talking more than a cup of coffee's cost to enter ring 1, as well as lighter but still extant fees for the larger outer rings); - as well as some air control days where vehicles with exhaust may be outright forbidden from operating in the city center entirely... - and all of these pressures are being tuned up over time. It's widely-discussed and part of campaigns to make things greener. So people are not only responding to the current numbers, but considering the future. This has everything to do with the society, its incentives, and how those incentives were rationally designed; and very, very little to do with a particular manufacturer and their marketing.
- Theodores 7y ago
  Hi Oslo resident. Just had a streetview browse of your city, first view with the yellow man gave me an oncoming Tesla. I had a look for the chargers but didn't find any, I guess you need an app and to know what to look for. More noticeable are the trams. Forget electric cars, trams are the future and I liked seeing so many of them. I tried to stay off the tramways as you aren't going to have charging points there, but now I want to know, if you didn't have an app, where would you look in Oslo for a street level charging facility? Kind of inspired to go there after seeing the sunny day street view pics, lovely place!
  - pi-rat 7y ago
    Not a Oslo resident, but maybe I can help :) You can find chargers in Norway by using one of the many maps or apps: https://www.ladestasjoner.no/kart/ https://www.ladestasjoner.no/kart/ Many of the Oslo chargers look like this: https://www.salto.no/media/images/referanser/_big4by3/søyle-dyp-2.jpg https://www.salto.no/media/images/referanser/_big4by3/søyle-... Here's another one: https://www.google.com/maps/@59.9287152,10.7231221,3a,59.2y,115.83h,72.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbTZWYkPZ1VrxuPhXRaeUlA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@59.9287152,10.7231221,3a,59.2y,... See the instructional video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgb4Rr6cG38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgb4Rr6cG38 With the current gen electric cars it's easy to keep a car charged in Norway. I haven't installed a charging station in the garage yet, so I just park mine at one of the city (Bergen) car parks once per week (while I go to work). A work day of charging gives me about 400 km (250 miles) range.

zaroth 7y ago

Tesla is the cause of the current record sales of EVs in Norway, per TFA; > In 2018, Norway’s fully electric car sales rose to a record 31.2 percent market share from 20.8 percent in 2017, far ahead of any other nation, and buyers had to wait as producers struggled to keep up with demand. > The surge of electric cars to a 58.4 percent market share in March came as Tesla ramped up delivery of its mid-sized Model 3... 30% -> 60% is no small feat, and is due to the Model 3 availability, and the more widely accessible price point of TM3. IMO the Leaf is a compromise car you choose in order to get an EV, whereas the TM3 is a better car in almost every way than anything else on the market, which also happens to be EV. Although many of its advantages are made possible by being EV, they are not inherent advantages of being EV. That is to say, being EV is necessary but not sufficient to built a car with the myriad advances of the TM3.

shereadsthenews 7y ago
Tesla performs this stunt constantly. What they do is they don't deliver any cars for months at a time, whether because they can't or choose not to I don't know. Then they dump all the backorders on some small nation all at once and put out a press release about how they are the best-selling car in that place because they recognized a year of sales in a single month.
- zaroth 7y ago
  March was crazy - over 5,000 TM3s registered. Versus 705 TM3 registrations in May, 424 so far in June. YTD is ~8,000 TM3 vs 3,700 Leaf.
  - shereadsthenews 7y ago
    Yes that's true, I should have said that they begin delivering cars after a long time of booking orders. Look at the number of Tesla Model 3s that were registered in various countries prior to March 2019.
    - zaroth 7y ago
      The most interesting thing to watch will be how sales progress over the first full year of deliveries in each market. Obviously the first quarter will be a rush of deliveries in each market as the backlog clears. Then there will be a trough where everyone who was an early adopter has got theirs and the late majority starts to consider all these TM3s they see scooting around. How quickly Tesla recovers from the trough and how high the long term market share will go is absolutely the Billion dollar question. Reportedly strong demand this quarter in North America points to the TM3 potentially having broad appeal beyond the EV zealots, but it’s very much too early to tell. If you know the answer to this question, it’s the difference between TSLA at $10 and TSLA at $500. I have my own opinion, and I put some money on it. But I’m a TM3 owner, I absolutely adore the machine, and I think it’s 5 years ahead of any competition and is going to absolutely clean up as people realize it’s sensational to drive, it doesn’t actually cost $80k (can’t tell you how many people I’ve talk to that think that) and in particular the long term TCO is actually downright economical.
  - semi-extrinsic 7y ago
    Total TM3 registrations for 2019 is 7973, which is exactly GPs point. There was a big rush of deliveries in March. For May, the Volkswagen e-Golf outsold the TM3 by 25%.
    - zaroth 7y ago
      Which is playing the same Beta game. Would it be fair to just go by the YTD then?
      - Xylakant 7y ago
- jkim1258 7y ago
  Could it also be a simple result of the cars coming in a giant ship all at once? I'm not sure how many cars fit in one of those ships, but I'd guess quite a few..
semi-extrinsic 7y ago
Meh, these monthly fluctuations are dominated by noise, especially when expressed as "percentage of total sales". You get both the variation in EV sales and in ICE sales influencing. Look at the trends in the absolute numbers over time: https://elbilstatistikk.no/ https://elbilstatistikk.no/
- zaroth 7y ago
  Great link, thanks! Do they have monthly stats for each car in a single table? Can’t find it in mobile. Is there a YTD Total EV vs Total ICE?
  - jsight 7y ago
    It looks like total yearly sales for all types in Norway is ~150k/year. 6 months into the year, electric is at ~33k total. However you look at it, this is a tiny market.
Xylakant 7y ago
I’d be generally cautious with month-to-month stats. Tesla has many preorders and only started really fulfilling the european ones in March. So hey could easily have gamed the stats by shifting many February sales to March.
throwayEngineer 7y ago
>IMO the Leaf is a compromise car you choose in order to get an EV, whereas the TM3 is a better car in almost every way than anything else on the market, This is definitely your opinion. Experts agree that Tesla is a low quality luxury vehicle. Fans love it, but this is a known phenomenon with Jeep owners too. Jeep owners will forgive problems where other users would not.
- w8vY7ER 7y ago
  Ah, yes, experts.
  - navigatesol 7y ago
    Yes, experts who have driven many cars, from many manufacturers at many price points over many years. Or you can go with the anonymous HackerNews account.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - throwayEngineer 7y ago
      Do you think that person is a Tesla Marketing account? They also posted about spacex
      - dang 7y ago
        This breaks the site guidelines. Please read them and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - ryanlol 7y ago
    Substitute “experts” with “anyone who has sat in a high end Audi, BMW or Mercedes” Teslas are fun to drive but awful to sit in.

heavenlyhash 7y ago

Oslo resident here. Indeed. Look also to: - the near-universality of charger stations on streets, both in residential and commercial districts; - the huge tax subsidies for buying and owning electric vehicles; - the low cost of (clean, incidentally) electricity (I believe most of the charger posts in the city are free, though I should note I don't drive myself); - the substantial tarrifs and fees for poluting vehicles in the city center areas (we're talking more than a cup of coffee's cost to enter ring 1, as well as lighter but still extant fees for the larger outer rings); - as well as some air control days where vehicles with exhaust may be outright forbidden from operating in the city center entirely... - and all of these pressures are being tuned up over time. It's widely-discussed and part of campaigns to make things greener. So people are not only responding to the current numbers, but considering the future. This has everything to do with the society, its incentives, and how those incentives were rationally designed; and very, very little to do with a particular manufacturer and their marketing.

Theodores 7y ago
Hi Oslo resident. Just had a streetview browse of your city, first view with the yellow man gave me an oncoming Tesla. I had a look for the chargers but didn't find any, I guess you need an app and to know what to look for. More noticeable are the trams. Forget electric cars, trams are the future and I liked seeing so many of them. I tried to stay off the tramways as you aren't going to have charging points there, but now I want to know, if you didn't have an app, where would you look in Oslo for a street level charging facility? Kind of inspired to go there after seeing the sunny day street view pics, lovely place!
- pi-rat 7y ago
  Not a Oslo resident, but maybe I can help :) You can find chargers in Norway by using one of the many maps or apps: https://www.ladestasjoner.no/kart/ https://www.ladestasjoner.no/kart/ Many of the Oslo chargers look like this: https://www.salto.no/media/images/referanser/_big4by3/søyle-dyp-2.jpg https://www.salto.no/media/images/referanser/_big4by3/søyle-... Here's another one: https://www.google.com/maps/@59.9287152,10.7231221,3a,59.2y,115.83h,72.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbTZWYkPZ1VrxuPhXRaeUlA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@59.9287152,10.7231221,3a,59.2y,... See the instructional video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgb4Rr6cG38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgb4Rr6cG38 With the current gen electric cars it's easy to keep a car charged in Norway. I haven't installed a charging station in the garage yet, so I just park mine at one of the city (Bergen) car parks once per week (while I go to work). A work day of charging gives me about 400 km (250 miles) range.