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Apple's walled garden's the only place a pro-consumer, pro-privacy stick has been successfully used against the broader software industry. The only alternative

by asark 7y ago

Apple's walled garden's the only place a pro-consumer, pro-privacy stick has been successfully used against the broader software industry. The only alternative to achieve similar levels of privacy and safety are a combination of hyper-vigilance and just not doing very much. I'd hate to see that little walled city of sanity breached until the worst behavior of the various software snoops (Google, Amazon, Facebook, but also credit card companies and others) has been legislated out of existence, assuming that ever happens.

bduerst 7y ago
>Apple's walled garden's the only place a pro-consumer, pro-privacy stick has been successfully used against the broader software industry Except that Apple has given the iCloud encryption keys of millions of Chinese users to the Chinese government [1], after forcing users to move their data to the Chinese data centers [2]. This gives the Chinese government access to Apple user photos, docs, messages, and other user data at rest, demonstrating that Apple is more for-profit than for-privacy. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587304/apple-icloud-china-user-data-state-run-telecom-privacy-security https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587304/apple-icloud-chi... [2] https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/02/24/apple-to-move-chinese-icloud-keys-to-china-servers-opens-door-to-government-data-requests https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/02/24/apple-to-move-chi...
- zimpenfish 7y ago
  [1] says "the encryption keys are also stored in China, raising the possibility the Chinese government could gain access to it"; nothing even close to "Apple has given the iCloud encryption keys of millions of Chinese users to the Chinese government" (my emphasis).
- oarsinsync 7y ago
  > demonstrating that Apple is more for-profit than for-privacy In China. In the other 194 countries in the world, this isn't true.
  - bduerst 7y ago
    Intentionally ignoring millions of Apple customers is a No-True-Scotsman.
    - oarsinsync 7y ago
      Fair. Do you have any suggestions for any alternatives that are better in regard to user privacy?

by asark 7y ago

bduerst 7y ago

>Apple's walled garden's the only place a pro-consumer, pro-privacy stick has been successfully used against the broader software industry Except that Apple has given the iCloud encryption keys of millions of Chinese users to the Chinese government [1], after forcing users to move their data to the Chinese data centers [2]. This gives the Chinese government access to Apple user photos, docs, messages, and other user data at rest, demonstrating that Apple is more for-profit than for-privacy. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587304/apple-icloud-china-user-data-state-run-telecom-privacy-security https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587304/apple-icloud-chi... [2] https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/02/24/apple-to-move-chinese-icloud-keys-to-china-servers-opens-door-to-government-data-requests https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/02/24/apple-to-move-chi...

zimpenfish 7y ago
[1] says "the encryption keys are also stored in China, raising the possibility the Chinese government could gain access to it"; nothing even close to "Apple has given the iCloud encryption keys of millions of Chinese users to the Chinese government" (my emphasis).
oarsinsync 7y ago
> demonstrating that Apple is more for-profit than for-privacy In China. In the other 194 countries in the world, this isn't true.
- bduerst 7y ago
  Intentionally ignoring millions of Apple customers is a No-True-Scotsman.
  - oarsinsync 7y ago
    Fair. Do you have any suggestions for any alternatives that are better in regard to user privacy?