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How does this affect net neutrality

by ptah 7y ago

jsty 7y ago
In the typical sense of net neutrality[0], not very much - you're effectively bidding for a faster / lower-latency route across the internet. You can already pay for faster routes with e.g. Google's premium networking or Cloudflare's Argo. If I understand correctly, this offering just means that instead of having to procure your network in advance and lock in a particular price for all traffic, you can dynamically route traffic based on the cost of doing so. [0] Wikipedia's definition: "Network neutrality, or simply net neutrality, is the principle that Internet service providers (ISPs) must treat all Internet communications equally, and not discriminate or charge differently based on user, content, website, platform, application, type of equipment, or method of communication."
runeks 7y ago
I don't know. But if net neutrality prevents me from paying extra, in order to decrease latency for a particular connection, I don't want it.
- gafferongames 7y ago
  I'd like to just hop in and say that Network Next doesn't ask for any money from the player. Our customer is the game developer, who so far is very happy to target some bottom n% of the players who are having a terrible experience, and make that better with Network Next!
toast0 7y ago
This seems like it's something that would be happening on the content end and not the ISP end, because the ISPs generally don't care about latency or jitter. My understanding of net neutrality was that it is supposed to be a restriction on consumer residential/wireless ISPs' actions. If you had an effective choice in ISPs, you could pick the one with properties you cared for, like lower latency connections; early internet gaming networks had prefered dial-up providers that shaved about 10ms off of cross-US ping times.
- PaulHoule 7y ago
  It is. Riot Games has built its own network from major ISPs to their data centers to support League of Legends. This is not a terribly latency sensitive game, but it is worth it for them to do it because players are more likely to keep playing if they are mad at themselves and their team for losing as opposed to being mad at "the internet". I assume Riot puts the service together by working with wholesalers and they probably have an "auction" on a timescale of months or years to determine routes.

How does this affect net neutrality

by ptah 7y ago

How does this affect net neutrality

jsty 7y ago

In the typical sense of net neutrality[0], not very much - you're effectively bidding for a faster / lower-latency route across the internet. You can already pay for faster routes with e.g. Google's premium networking or Cloudflare's Argo. If I understand correctly, this offering just means that instead of having to procure your network in advance and lock in a particular price for all traffic, you can dynamically route traffic based on the cost of doing so. [0] Wikipedia's definition: "Network neutrality, or simply net neutrality, is the principle that Internet service providers (ISPs) must treat all Internet communications equally, and not discriminate or charge differently based on user, content, website, platform, application, type of equipment, or method of communication."

runeks 7y ago

I don't know. But if net neutrality prevents me from paying extra, in order to decrease latency for a particular connection, I don't want it.

gafferongames 7y ago
I'd like to just hop in and say that Network Next doesn't ask for any money from the player. Our customer is the game developer, who so far is very happy to target some bottom n% of the players who are having a terrible experience, and make that better with Network Next!

toast0 7y ago

This seems like it's something that would be happening on the content end and not the ISP end, because the ISPs generally don't care about latency or jitter. My understanding of net neutrality was that it is supposed to be a restriction on consumer residential/wireless ISPs' actions. If you had an effective choice in ISPs, you could pick the one with properties you cared for, like lower latency connections; early internet gaming networks had prefered dial-up providers that shaved about 10ms off of cross-US ping times.

PaulHoule 7y ago
It is. Riot Games has built its own network from major ISPs to their data centers to support League of Legends. This is not a terribly latency sensitive game, but it is worth it for them to do it because players are more likely to keep playing if they are mad at themselves and their team for losing as opposed to being mad at "the internet". I assume Riot puts the service together by working with wholesalers and they probably have an "auction" on a timescale of months or years to determine routes.